Whatever you want to believe is fine. Free country.

Some KU fans say they don't care about Mizzou nearly as much as Mizzou cares about KU, then the Mizzou fans mock KU fans whenever they even think about talking about Mizzou.... and then they don't get it when Mizzou leaves and KU isn't begging to continue the rivalry with a non-conference opponent.

As far as who's to blame though, it's just something else to bitch about. If the tables were turned, the conversations would be, too... both schools would blame each other using the same logic that's being used now.

There it is! Knew that one was coming.

Guys - KSU has been their biggest rival all along. Duh.

Since I was at the game I watched the replay last night after the SB and color me shocked when I learned that Frank had yet to see The Outlaw Josey Wales.

Murray State's body of work:

SoS: 305
Top 25 record: 0-0
Top 50 record: 2-0

This is kind of like saying, well we know MU won't make the final four [see: history]...so I don't want to rank them that high.

After review, I would put KU ahead of Georgetown. I forgot about their loss to Pitt.

You can make the Murray State argument all the way down the rankings, but you have to put them somewhere. Kansas has 5 losses. I haven't seen anything out of them that says they are anything more than a solid team.

5 losses is 5 losses, and 23-0 is 23-0.

KU is better than probably 5-6 teams that you have in front of them (and has actually beaten three of them).

The fact that the majority of the voters in these ridiculous polls are too lazy to look past largely meaningless records doesn't mean that you have to do the same.

So the five losses ku has should just be completely disregarded then?

They did just barely pull out a victory against Southeastern Missouri St. at home earlier this week, though. Impressive stuff.

No, simply put into context. KU has played one of the toughest schedules in the country this season, this can't be ignored.

I agree, losing to MU by 3 points at MU is not impressive at all. Anything better than a solid team would have curbstomped MU last Saturday night.

And it is not, they have by far the most losses of any team in the team 10. They are not being slighted in any way for their schedule.

So Kansas is a top 5 team in your eyes? There are only 4 ranked teams with more losses than Kansas.

Meanwhile, you think that Kansas should be ranked higher than any team with 5 losses. Okay. I agree with you.

But wait. You think Kansas should be ranked higher than any team with 4 losses. Wow. That's a bold statement, but I'll listen.

Hold the phones. Now you think a 5 loss team that has lost 2 of its last 3 should be ranked higher than any team with 3 losses? Run along. This conversation is over.

Florida has 4 losses, and UNC has 3... not really by that far. And the polls are week to week... KU fell 5 spots when they lost to Davidson and 3 spots after losing to ISU... not only because of who they lost to, but what the teams around them did. And they're also tied for the most top 25 wins and top 50 wins in the nation, and their SoS is #2, while 5 of the 7 teams ahead of them in the AP poll are 50+.