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The Official "Lost" the series discussion
(https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=100674)
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To assuage Buck, the best moments of last night for me were the AWESOME facial expressions of menace concocted by NotLocke. That was some stellar craft by O'Quinn.
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Also Eko faced it head on once and lived. Of course he died the next time he tried.
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another thing i didnt catch but is not really that important..
When Kate came out of the airplane bathroom she bumped into Jack. she lifted his pen (he couln't find it when he tried to save Charlie). She later used the pen or tried to use it to unlock the handcuffs. |
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Thinking of the pen - in the pilot episode, Rose (I believe) was dying and the guy talking to Locke on the airplane asked Jack "Should we do the pen thing?" Meaning, put a pen in her throat so she could get oxygen. Jack said "Oh yeah...the pen thing. Go find me a pen." He ran off and later came back with like 6 pens. Now, in this episode, he couldn't find a pen. One other thing I thought was odd...after saving Charlie, Charlie responds "I was supposed to die." |
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Last night's episode is already on Hulu.... minus 40 minutes of commercials PBJ
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Just saw an interesting theory on another board that Sayid is now possessed by John Locke. The original John Locke. Seems odd, but I thought it was interesting.
This person sited John's conversation w/ Jack (in the alt timeline) about Christian's body being lost but not his spirit as evidence of his theory. Sort of like Locke's body is dead, but his spirit lives on and is somehow able to inhabit Sayid because of the Temple and/or the healing water... I don't know... just thought I'd mention it. |
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At this point in time, I'm not altogether unconvinced that the Losties on the plane flying towards Los Angeles don't have memories of what happened on the Island.
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I thought it was pretty 'meh'. Weren't really any 'oh shit!' moments or anything that make me count the minutes until next Tuesday. It was just kind of there.
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There are clearly two different timelines happening right now and at some point, they'll converge. |
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And I certainly wasn't surprised about the "Smoke Monster" reveal. However, the "All I want to do is go home" line is very interesting. |
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How that fits into the alternate timeline, I have no idea. My guess is that they'll hit another reset button of some kind on the island. |
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Maybe I'm reading too much into it. |
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But Sawyer and Kate were strangers. John and Jack were strangers. I don't think anybody recognized anybody, and I don't remember any teasing of deja vu except for Jack and Desmond (who's a wildcard; why is he even on the plane?). It would basically be season 4 all over again if they did remember, so I hope they're not going that direction, where they all have this feeling like they're in the wrong place and it's all about getting back... |
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Assuming "dead is dead"... does that mean that the guy with the eye patch (can't remember his name) was really the Man in Black? He died a few times, and definitely had an 'evil' vibe. Not sure what the implications are, other than that would mean that the Man in Black had infiltrated the Others (who are supposed to be on Jacob's side).
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Mikhail, and that seems possible, but did he really actually die?
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He took the spear and then simply vanished, which smokey already showed he could do in the Foot Statue. |
Don't know if this has been posted or not, but there was some interesting stuff said on Kimmel last night...
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I wonder if Dave is actually a dead guy though or just a made up imaginary friend. |
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P.S. I'm going back and reading this thread from the beginning, which was about 2 years before I started posting here. |
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EW: The whole idea of flash-sideways and the plan to use season 6 to show us a world where Oceanic 815 never crashed — how long has that been in the works? Why did you want to do it?
DAMON LINDELOF: It’s been in play for at least a couple of years. We knew that the ending of the time travel season was going to be an attempt to reboot. And as a result, we [knew] the audience was going to come out of the “do-over moment” thinking we were either going start over or just say it didn’t work and continue on. [We thought] wouldn’t it be great if we did both? That was the origin of the story. CARLTON CUSE: We thought just doing one [of those options] would inherently not be satisfying. Since the very beginning of the show, characters started crossing through each other’s stories. Part of our desire [in season 6] is to show that there’s still this kind of weave, that these characters still would have impacted each other’s lives even without the event of crashing on the Island. Obviously, the big question of the season is going to be: How do these [two timelines] reconcile? However, for the fans who have not watched the show closely, that’s an intact narrative. You can just watch the flash sideways — they stand alone all by themselves. For the fans who are more deeply embedded in the show, you can watch those flash sideways, compare them to what transpired in the flashbacks and go, “Oh, that’s an interesting difference.” LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the Island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things. |
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I want ANSWERS. WHAT is the Island? Who IS Jacob? Who IS his nemesis? Why have they been playing this game for 300 years? Why are there ancient statues and temples on this island? How did the magnetic properties of the island come into play? How does it go undetected? Who are "Adam & Eve"? Yep, this is going to ****ing piss me off if they head off an another tangent. |
I'm about to rewatch the episode.
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not sure this is spoilish
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nice bluff by the way. Or was it?:evil: |
I fell asleep with 20 min left. Have to watch the rest tomorrow.
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This one wouldn't surprise me at all. There is too much of a connection between him and the Losties. |
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I believe there's more to that interview that wasn't posted. They go on to talk about there being some sort of pay-off to the alt timeline. I believe at some point they have to merge together again (hopefully, sooner rather than later) and you'll get your answers. You may not get every answer, and every answer may not satisfy you completely, but I'm confident you'll get them. Of course... if we don't get them... I'm going to melt some faces. |
I'm not liking the alternate timeline. They changed the backstories of the characters without telling the viewers. They commented that at comicon there was a video where Kate doesn't kill her step dad but someone else and that is why she is a fugitive in the ALT timeline. If the characters lives are so different in the ALT than what we've been shown the last 5 years, it's difficult to care one way or the other about them.
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I'm not digging the alternate time line either. The Locke's body possessed by an evil god thing is really cool, but this new crap is just an annoying distraction, IMO. While it was nice to see Charlie and Boone back, that was about all that really interested me.
Seems like they're trying to shove 20 pounds of shit into a 10 pound bag. |
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If this ends like one of those, I'll be pissed for spending so many hours in front of the TV or computer. |
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Boone/Locke Jack/Charlie Kate/Claire Jack/Locke Hurley/Sawyer etc etc. |
So I woke up right for the ending last night, and Sayid has some kind of weird accent when he wakes up and says "What happened?"
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How many times did we have to watch Juliet die? I felt like I was watching Groundhog Day.
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Don't worry, she's probably still alive in at least 10 of the other 20 timelines we haven't seen yet. |
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I can't say how I feel about the alt timeline yet. I like the idea to a degree. I like seeing how they were "wrong." I like seeing the things that Jack didn't think about when he embarked on this mission. But it all depends on the pay-off. Where will it go? What will we learn? I won't know how I feel about it until we've seen the whole thing.
I am interested to see how they handle the "new" backstories. I wonder how much info we're going to get regarding their new histories. A lot of people have commented on Sayid's voice.. I didn't notice... gotta go back and watch it again. LOST is running a high risk of pissing off a lot of fans by the time it ends. I'm sure a lot of people will hate the ending. Just as long as it feels honest, like it's the only ending (or the best possible ending) the show could have. I'll be satisfied. |
Cmon Frazzy (and Brooklyn), don't you trust the writers enough by this point to know they won't leave a bad taste in your mouth?
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I actually like the idea of an alternate reality where they never went to the island. What I'm worried about is that they'll reconcile the two realities in some trite way, with the push of a magic button.
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But come the **** on. Season 3 - Perhaps the greatest stretch run of episodes (near the end of the season), and the best Season Finale I've ever seen. Season 4 - Every Episode was spectacular save one or two Season 5 - See season 4 (except I think every episode was good) |
Maybe a stupid question....
Did they ever show - or are they planning to show - how the numbers from the earlier seasons are significant....or are they not significant? |
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But TPTB have made a couple of missteps before (Niki & Paulo leap to mind!). They're not perfect. And, like keg said, I just hope however the two timelines reconcile isn't trite and easy. I LOVE S2. It's one of my favorites. |
I also don't really like the new "others" in the temple. C'mon how many groups of people are we going to discover on the island? These new others are some great keepers of island knowledge - the bath, Jacob, etc., but they didn't notice the flash when the bomb went off, or know that Jack, et al blew the island up years before?
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And, I don't think in the current timeline (Jack et al at the temple) that the bomb detonated. But I could be wrong. I'm a little confused about all of that at this point. But my impression is that it did not go off in that timeline. |
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Except for the stewardess. |
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