I don't think Texas will join the SEC, but if they do I'm ok with it. I'd be happy with A&M, though.

UT and Florida are very similar in size, academics, student profile, etc., and I know many people who went to undergrad at Florida and grad school at Texas. They all say Austin is essentially Gainesville, except it's a real city.

WTF?

You must be sick or something today?

Pretty much anything in Texas can go straight to ****ing hell as far as I'm concerned. Tonight I'll watch The Alamo and root for the goddamn Mexicans. :grr:

i'm not important enough to tell off?!?!?






that hurts my feelings!!!! :deevee::deevee:

to The SHIT!!!!!!!

Zach has shown me the error of my ways. From now on, I'll be a kinder, gentler frazod.

o:-)

ROFL

Oh dear God that was funny!!!!!

ROFL I'm with ya on that!

I dont like it.. Dont like it at all.... Your alot more fun to **** with when your all pissed off.

Apparently the press conference is regularly scheduled. It wasn't called for this specific reason.

This new Frazod sucks...

I want the mean, rude, pissed off guy that just got round house kicked to the ballsack by chuck norris back!

I'm not trying to knock Florida; it's a fine university and certainly one of the better institutions in the SEC, but it isn't on the same level as Texas. Academically, Florida is similar to KU and MU.

TX is one of the better public universities in the country. Here I'm talking almost exclusively about graduate programs, since most public universities' undergraduate programs are comparable. Academically, TX best compares to the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, etc.

Yup.

I dunno why, but for some reason I had it in my head that Deaton and Alden wouldn't **** this up. That it was all a smokescreen and they had a genius master plan in the works.

I have no earthly idea what, in their entire history with this program, led me to believe that was likely. I don't know why I didn't just assume that they were as clueless and out of the loop as they've ever been. I don't know why I didn't just realize that all of this was going on while they sat in the corner with their heads buried. I don't know why I believed the stupid looks on their faces were calculated, rather than the vacant stare of a reerun baby.

No, they're as worthless as they've ever been.

**** me.

Disagree. While Florida is not on par with Michigan, some of the California schools or UNC, it is an elite public university.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...nal-top-public

Can someone post the mega conferences for me again.

There was smoke, and the MU folks mistook it for fire.

Yes, because academics are the driving force behind any of this.

BTW, welcome back MU.

Again, I'm primarily talking graduate programs. On that list: Oklahoma, Auburn, Florida State...way too high.

But this gets back to my initial point, I don't think the level of education that a student receives at the undergraduate level is noticeably different once you get past the elite-tier universities in this country (Yale, Stanford, Cal-Berk, etc.) Florida, Kansas, Ohio State, Wisconsin...all about the same.

Graduate programs? Now we get major differences.

What page is that goddamm conference aligment on....

**** sorting to find this is pain in the ass.

Driving force? No. Major consideration? Yes.

If you think Nebraska isn't jumping at the chance of moving to the Big 10 largely because of academic reasons, you're mistaken.

Florida does have some outstanding graduate programs. Their school of Law and Business continually fluctuates. However, Florida has strong Engineering and Medical schools. Is Texas better? In some areas, yes. However, Florida is an elite public university both scholastically and athletically.

Just look at their admission criteria compared to most other public universities.

Who gives a shit, dumbass? It doesn't mean anything.

In short, they're AWESOME1111elevENty!!!!!!!!!pissmypants111111111111!!!!!!!!

And folks at Kansas or Missouri could make much the same argument. Look, you went there, you're proud of your institution, and you should be.

Is it a solid school? Of course. But I do not consider it "elite."

"The Jayhawk is the second most recognized mascot behind the Notre Dame Fighting Irish."- 810

interesting

Its for discussion purpose you ****ing inbred jackass....

I swear to God you and GoChiefs are one and the same....

Just ask any ku fan, they'll tell you..............ROFL

Got a grain of sand in your vag, toots?

5 lb bag.... Mild discomfort...

At least we didnt copy NorthWesterns....

Whether you choose to recognize it or not, it's an elite *public* university.

Graduate programs:

Engineering
Florida - 30
Kansas - 86
Missouri - 86

Business
Florida - 39
Kansas - not ranked
Missouri - 59

Law
Florida - 53
Kansas - 17
Missouri - 93

Medicine
Florida - 42
Kansas - 71
Missouri - 77

Now that is funny! ROFL

Big 12 history yet?

http://twitter.com/Dave_Matter
Of course we are down 8 runs and just brought in Albie Lopez but I'm not worried.

:facepalm:

And Missouri chooses to go down with the ship.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture...tle/faiuul.jpg

Education
Florida- nada
Kansas- 17
Missouri- 45

Please don't cherry pick

Links to see where other public universities rank? For example, here's a source that shows Florida at #47 in law and KU at #67: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsa...ankings/page+3

As this suggests, once we get beyond the "elite" institutions, there's a great deal of subjectivity. KU, MU, Florida...about the same. Michigan, Texas, blah, blah, blah = on a different level.

Big Ten source says MU is not a high-priority candidate

With Missouri’s flagship university ensnared in uncertainty, its two most powerful figures delivered little clarity to the conference conundrum yesterday. Meeting with reporters at the Reynolds Alumni Center, where the UM Board of Curators is holding two days of meetings, University System President Gary Forsee and MU Chancellor Brady Deaton embraced the school’s century-old relationship with its conference but revealed few clues to what lies ahead, even as the Big 12 Conference continues to crumble.

With Colorado gone to the Pac-10 Conference and Nebraska set to officially join the Big Ten Conference today, Deaton focused on preserving what’s left of the Big 12, while Forsee rattled off MU’s credentials like a carnival barker looking for customers.

“We have an incredible institution at the University of Missouri,” Forsee said after the board finished its second closed executive session of the day. “We have 60,000 fans, on average, who show up to our football games. We have programs that over the past decade have certainly risen to the top nationally in terms of their standing. We have over 30,000 students in this institution. So, rest assured, the University of Missouri is going to be a very significant factor nationally no matter what happens.”

But in what conference? Barring a last-minute peace agreement brokered by the league powers — in the form of a new television contract through the Fox networks — the Big 12 is wobbling on its last legs, despite Commissioner Dan Beebe’s hopes of keeping the conference alive by “working tirelessly towards the long-term viability of the Big 12,” as he stated in a statement released yesterday.

But as the game of conference musical chairs continues, Forsee was reluctant to discuss any possible scenarios while the music is still playing.

“Until we see what plays out over the next few months, or the next year for that matter, we just won’t know,” he said.

Both Forsee and Deaton declined to address any questions focused on the Big Ten and its expansion plans, even when asked point blank if Missouri has been invited to apply for admission into the conference. Earlier in the day, the chancellor’s office circulated an email to school officials reminding them to stay on message with the school's long-held stance on conference realignment and Big 12 loyalty. Forsee and Deaton stuck to the script.

“We’ve said all along we’re making no comments on conference realignment,” Deaton said. “We’re trying to have responsible discussions with our curators on these matters right now and watching what happens out there as the world goes on.”

At this point, the Big Ten’s interest in Missouri is the biggest missing piece of the puzzle. A Big Ten source said Missouri has not been eliminated from the conference’s expansion plans but is not considered a high priority at this time. The source said Texas, from the Big 12, and Notre Dame, an independent in football, are clearly alongside each other on the Big Ten’s top tier of targets, followed by Nebraska, soon to become the Big Ten’s 12th member, and then Rutgers, a member of the Big East Conference. Missouri and Maryland, of the Atlantic Coast Conference, and perhaps other less publicized targets, could figure into the mix if the top choices decide against applying for admission or the league expands beyond 14 members.

Back in the Big 12, media reports have linked Oklahoma and Texas A&M to SEC expansion, while those two, plus Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech, are still considered strong candidates to join the Pac-10.

That was the move Colorado made yesterday, ending an affiliation with a core of schools that became known as the Big Seven back in 1948 when the Buffaloes joined the league from the Mountain States Conference. Despite what might be the Big 12’s most feeble combination of football and men’s basketball programs — plus an athletic department struggling with financial troubles — Colorado pulled off the first move of what could be many across the country. The Buffs are expected to begin competition in the Pac-10 in 2012.

“We look at it as a real class conference,” CU president Bruce D. Benson told the Boulder Daily Camera. “You’re judged by who you associate with and we want to be associated with the Pac-10 because it’s such a great conference. Now that is saying nothing against the Big 12.”

With the news of Colorado’s exit, Deaton said his first priority was discussing the state of the Big 12 with other members of the league’s board of directors, starting with Texas President Bill Powers.

“We have to assess where that leaves us, what we’ll we do as a conference in terms of other schools or whatever,” he said.

With MU’s future uncertain, Deaton and Forsee shared a tone of conference loyalty, pitching an even stronger case in favor of the Big 12 than Deaton and Athletic Director Mike Alden expressed during last week’s Big 12 athletic directors meetings in Kansas City. While some media outlets in Oklahoma and Texas have portrayed MU as sparking the league’s combustion by flirting with the Big Ten, Forsee pointed to MU’s long history with the conference through all its stages.

“We can’t say it any more strongly than we continue to say it: We have been loyal members of this conference alignment, going back to the Missouri Valley, the configuration of the Big Six, the Big Eight, the Big 12,” he said. “So, there shouldn’t be any question about where we have built our record, where we’ve built our legacy, where we’ve built our fans, where we’ve built everything, including the great rivalries.

“I don’t think we have to justify our loyalty. That’s been in place for 104 years.”

yep Inching closer each day....


I am ready for the Mega East! Bring it on!

So when does NU make it official?

Missouri getting bashed at this press conference.

They really ****ed this whole thing up.

Good for Mizzou. So, to summarize, the Big 12 has lost its doormat, Colorado to the Pac 10.
It is to lose one of the past legends of Big 8 football, Nebraska, to the Big 10.
Next......

Should be sometime this afternoon, IIRC the Regent's meeting is at 1:00.

So now Forsee has something to say.

That's a really really bad sign, MU fans.

Yup, Mizzou ****ed this one up. Nicely done, gentlemen. Nicely done.

i hate mizzou as much as anyone but how would they **** things up?

In what way?

Allowed themselves to be deceived? Naivety? Ok, I could get on board with these claims. But, without more evidence, it's tough to say how they've mismanaged things.

Literally nothing has changed. Forsee repeated the same things that have been said all along. MU may end up screwed or they may not, but nobody in the media really has any idea.

It would have gone this way for any of the secondary schools - basically the bullies found out we had lunch money and took it, and there's nothing we can do about it. The principal's name is Delany, and he thinks it's funny.

But I look at it this way. I don't go to MU. I no longer live in the state. I don't have kids who will go there - at the end of the day, all I care about is a competitive football team that wins more often than it loses. Wherever we end up, it seems, we will be in a bully-free zone. Hopefully there will be a way for me to watch some games.

When God took the day off and allowed Lucifer to roam unhindered.

Tuck Fexas.

Even if all the remaining Big 12 teams decide to stay together and just replace colorado/nebraska, i want KU to continue to look for a new conference.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sp...-96137294.html


Remaining Big 12 schools to the Big East gaining momentum
By: Jim Williams
Examiner Sports Columnist
06/11/10 9:27 AM EDT
Anyone who thought that the Big East was just going to sit around and watch the Big Ten take Rutgers and possibly Syracuse and Pitt simply does now know the passion of the conference.

Once word began to spread that Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and perhaps Missouri would be looking for a home the Big East became very interested in talking to them about joining the league.

Yesterday I began to contact some powerful members of the alumni associations at Georgetown, UCONN, USF, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Pitt, and Syracuse and I found them all very interested in adding the Big 12 schools. One very high profile member of the USF Alumni speaking on the condition of anonymity told me “You can bet the Big East is being aggressive in expansion we will not be crushed by the Big Ten.”

No doubt Big East Commissioner John Marinatto and his newly hired senior adviser former NFL Commissioner and Georgetown grad Paul Tagliabue will be talking to any of the Big 12 schools interested in joining the league.

By the way C-USA members Memphis and Central Florida and working through back channels to gage the interest of the Big East in expanding.

Meanwhile a 12 team Big East football conference and a 20 team super basketball conference would be a good move for the conference and one that is clearly being explored.

Football wise there would be an Eastern Division with Pitt, West Virginia, UCONN, USF, Syracuse and Rutgers or UCF with a Western Division that could be made up of Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State or Memphis, Cincinnati and Louisville.

They could hold a Big East Championship Game each year that could be rotated between New York, Washington, Tampa, St. Louis and Kansas City.

The Big East basketball with the addition of Kansas and maybe Memphis would further enhance the best basketball conference in the country.

They could also offer networks at many as 8 of the top 25 media markets putting them on the same level as both the PAC 16 and the Big Ten in terms of eyeballs. Because of their basketball and adding the new markets the Big East would have, New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington, Boston (because of Providence), Tampa, and new markets St. Louis and possibly Orlando.

I know what you are saying Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers could be headed to the Big Ten. The truth is Pitt won’t get a Big Ten invitation because the Big Ten Network already has Pittsburgh as market for their Big Ten network thanks to Penn State.

Rutgers to the Big Ten seems for the moment a lock but Syracuse might be falling behind as both Maryland and Georgia Tech keep popping up in the conversation.

Maryland is a great fit because of the academics and they can deliver both Washington, D.C. and Baltimore a combined mid-Atlantic region that is equal to the fourth largest media market in the country. Meanwhile Georgia Tech would give the Big Ten a strong southern presence and the Atlanta market. It seems the two ACC schools MAY have passed Syracuse – for now- on the Big Ten list – a list that continues to be debated.

There is another benefit to keeping the Big East strong and that is Notre Dame. The Irish make an estimated $22 million dollars a year from the NBC football contract as well as their relationship with the Big East in all other sports. Plus a new twist to the Notre Dame branding deal has been the team working out deals that allow them to play a additional home games in cities outside South Bend. So they add another game for NBC while also picking up a check for as much as $3 million a game while barnstorming across the country and keeping the brand a national one. A strong Big East means Notre Dame can continue to be independent and it also means the conference can keep the Irish happy and out of the Big Ten.

I learned a lot in this thread, and just want UT out of their conference.

you can bet that no matter what happens, Texas thinks they are better than everyone else and are only looking out for themselves. Everyone else is just a tool for them to advance themselves.

Publicly, they were quiet.

It seems that privately, they were letting go of one branch before they grabbed onto the other one.

It seems they were dead certain that they had that offer and didn't. They were entirely too cavalier for an institution which is so important for so many people.

Pitt,

Forsee has been saying nothing. Nothing at all. When he was deadly silent, I was confident. Now he's slowly hedging, as is Alden and Deaton. They can keep saying "we've been saying X all along" but the tenor has certainly changed.

FYP

I can't help but wonder, if the last few seconds of the Big 12 Championship game last year, didn't have a huge bearing on Nebraska's decision.

If MU goes to the Big East then basketball season is going to be frustrating as Hell... but they'll get, like, an annual BCS bid in football. MU will forcibly rape the Big East in football.

Who the hell will they recruit?

Illinois owns STL if MU goes to the Big East. KC is a nice recruiting bed for them, but not enough on its own.

And they'll still get some 2 and 3 stars out of Texas, but that's about it.

Recruiting will be hurt badly by a move to the Big East.

This post makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over. Rep.

This post not-so much.

IMO, it would be good for all KC area schools to consider the Big East option... keeping KU, KSU and MU together would be still fun for rivalries.

That basketball conference would be sick. ****ING SICK

Think of how much MORE KU, KSU and MU would be talked about in the East coast biased media.

true; but the $ is in football.
that will drive everything.

Well, it's either that or the WAC or MVC, so far, it appears.

Why would MU suddenly be unable to recruit STL? Because they are no longer playing Texas or Oklahoma? That doesn't make sense to me.

It would be a BIG EAST FOULFEST!!!1111

I seriously doubt this - Illinois isn't the power program you think it is. In Chicago, for every color-sporting Illini fan I see 10 Notre Dame fans and 5 Michigan fans. Seriously.

I don't have a dog in this fight, other than if some Big 12 goes to the SEC..

Unable? No, but it will put a major dent in it.

Illinois will have a decided leg up, IMO. They can point to being in the true regional power conference w/ games every weekend against Michigan, OSU, Nebraska and other traditional powers.

We'll get to trump up the opportunity to **** with Boston College on occasion.

People in St. Louis don't care about beating the Big East. Pinkel will have a harder sell and with as close as the margins are on winning/losing a recruit, I gotta believe we'll lose some guys that we'd have been able to keep had this not happened (and lose even more guys that we'd have been able to steal had we gone to the Big 10).

It's not ideal by any means.

Gabbert, Richardson, Maclin, and Demien are all big recruits we've gotten from St. Louis.

Not to mention lesser players who are still contributors like Kemp, Steeples, Gatti (hopefully), Gettis, and others.


Missouri recruits St. Louis better than it does Kansas City.

Probable Big East Football Divisions if this happens....

EAST
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
West Virginia

WEST
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Louisville
Missouri

Not a very sexy group but better than a non-BCS conference for sure.

Works for me.

KSu became the Wildcats in 1915. Northwestern became the Wildcarts in 1933. Suck my dick.

that is an ugly,ugly West

Eh, still pretty sad.

If we don't end up in the Big Ten, SEC, or Pac-10, it will be a disaster for the university (and yes, I realize there are no real rumors on the last two right now).

go powercat go!

ROFL

In the short term. But we can all kiss Texas recruiting goodbye if we go to the Big East.
Kind of a double edged sword.

But basketball would be insane. Recruiting would pick up for all three locals on the East coast.

it would be nice to take Texas A&M to the Big East too and keep that t.v. market/recruiting pipeline open.

WEST
Cincinnati
Texas A&M
Kansas
Kansas State
Louisville
Missouri

I like this better

MEGA EAST
Western Division
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Wake Forest
Virginia Tech
Missouri

Eastern Division
Connecticut
Syracuse
West Virginia
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina State