With the Worthy pickup, Skyy’s gotta be done right? …right?!

I hope both Skyy and Toney are both done.

Hoping we pick up Franklin today to ensure that Skyy Moore is never seen again.

Call me crazy but I think I'd prefer if Skyy would stop sucking

Your common sense will not be tolerated

And if your aunt had balls…..

You would probably suck on them

Negative, ghost rider.

I agree, but they won't. I think we would have seen signs of it happening if it there was any chance, but I haven't. They gave us a couple of highlight plays in Super Bowl 57, so at least we got that out of them.

I mean like, I'd rather take my chances at the Casino with my life savings and all first, but he was a rookie and then injured so far. It's not impossible. I guess.

Same for Toney.

Moore and Toney aren't going anywhere because of the Rice incident and pending suspension of games you know IS coming. Sure it would be great IF Moore would step up his game but I don't see it. Physical talent just is not there. But for me what I think and hope happens is Toney now realizes he expendable with the Worthy pick and now Toney focuses for the first time with serious competition and chooses to pull his head out and grow up. Can you imagine defenses trying to defense 2 water bug type receivers on the field at the same time? If Ross can do the same with his physical talent here is my dream WR corp not necessarily in any order after it's all said and done.

Kelce
Rice
Worthy
Watson
Ross
Toney

Third year breakout year..

Any suspension will most likely come in 2025, as the legal system will play out and it isn't a fast process. Rice and his attorney may be able to accelerate that if they want the punishment in 2024, but it may not happen. Brandin Echols of the Jets had his reckless driving and speeding accident where he partially parazlyzed the other driver in April of 2022. He wasn't suspended for his 1 game until the start of last year, 2023.

What he said.

But we probably only get a 6th pick swap.

To be fair, not all these guys who went ahead of him are all world receivers

Drake London

Garrett Wilson

Chris Olave

Jameson Williams

Jahan Dotson

Treylon Burks

Christian Watson

WanDale Robinson

John Metchie

Tyquan Thornton

George Pickens

Alec Pierce

Skyy Moore

The options which followed him don't look that glamorous either

14) Velus Jones Jr., Tennessee
Round 3, Pick 71 | Chicago Bears

15) Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
Round 3, Pick 88 | Dallas Cowboys

16) David Bell, Purdue
Round 3, Pick 99 | Cleveland Browns

17) Danny Gray, SMU
Round 3, Pick 105 | San Francisco 49ers

18) Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
Round 4, Pick 125 | Miami Dolphins

19) Romeo Doubs, Nevada
Round 4, Pick 132 | Green Bay Packers

20) Calvin Austin, Memphis
Round 4, Pick 137 | Pittsburgh Steelers

21) Khalil Shakir, Boise State
Round 4, Pick 148 | Buffalo Bills

22) Montrell Washington, Samford
Round 5, Pick 162 | Denver Broncos

23) Kyle Philips, UCLA
Round 5, Pick 163 | Tennessee Titans

24) Jalen Nailor, Michigan State
Round 6, Pick 191 | Minnesota Vikings

25) Michael Woods II, Oklahoma
Round 6, Pick 202 | Cleveland Browns

26) Bo Melton, Rutgers
Round 7, Pick 229 | Seattle Seahawks

27) Dareke Young, Lenoir-Rhyne
Round 7, Pick 233 | Seattle Seahawks

28) Samori Toure, Nebraska
R7, Pick 258 | Green Bay Packers

Olave and Garrett Wilson are both awesome. Christian Watson would feast in this offense. Pickens is hit or miss but clearly has talent. Drake London and Jameo both have potential. Dotson, Thornton, Burks and Pierce are solid so far. Wandale Robinson is better at being the gadget guy than Moore could ever dream.

Skyy Moore is literally the worst WR on that list and it’s not even close.

That's the order they were drafted in. Of course those guys turned out better. We didn't even have an opportunity to draft most of those guys.

We took McDuffie and karlaftis over Christian Watson on down. I think that decision turned out fine.

Hollywood Brown says hi.

I was responding to your claim that the receivers taken before him weren’t All-World.

None are elite yet but they’re still worlds better than Moore. Moore is buns. Booty. Cheeks.

Tyquan Thornton is right there with him. Moore has more yards than him. That's pretty pathetic.

There no guarantee it will happen, but there is something to the third year breakout. Learning nfl playbooks, better executing routes, figuring out how to get separation from better defenders..

I'm not sure what it is, but this will be the most low pressure situation skyy will be in for his nfl career. With the talent now ahead of him and basically zero expectations, maybe he will take his play up a notch this year.

Huh. You’re right. For some reason I was thinking Thornton played for the Saints. Idk wtf I was thinking.

They’re both pretty bad. Skyy gets judged more harshly for playing in a much, much, much, muuuuch more favorable situation though.

I hope you’re right but I highly, highly doubt it. This dude doesn’t even pass the eye test in the least. I don't think I’ve ever watched this guy and thought “wow, nice snag, route, move, etc.”

Skyy Moore's year 1 was very similar to Demarcus Robinson's year 2 (Robinson did not manage a stat in his first year in the league), in terms of production.

Robinson was eventually an average/useful receiver to have as depth in years 4 and 5 (450 yards per year, 3.5 touchdowns on average).

Skyy will never be a star, but there is hope for him to be a functioning receiver for a couple of cheap years still.

Interesting. The question becomes do you take the punishment now or later IF that really could be an option. For me, I would want to postpone it just to keep Rice's development and momentum going but for the victims involved the bureaucracy of the court system justice is delayed, which sucks for them.

Did D Rob eat up 60% of offensive snaps like Skyy did until week 14? This isn't a gotcha, I just don't remember.

Edit: looks like D Rob got more snaps than Skyy. Still, Skyy Moore is beyond shite and fingers crossed we won't be seeing him at any point again.

Victims will settle and be made whole long before the judicial system moves forward.

Looking for a huge breakout year for Skyy Moore!

Where is Hollywood?

Detroit must be Disappointed in Jamison Williams. he has not been as useless as Moore, but they sure gave up a lot to get him. Just think if they had given up a little bit more and gotten either Olave or Wilson!

Might want to review Romeo Doubs stats, considering he’s caught nearly 1,100 yds and 11 TDs in two seasons.

Fellas, I think this dude is cooked.

Nate Taylor's saying he's presently behind Toney, Remigio and ROSS. That's 4 dudes fighting for, IMO, 1 spot. And he's 4th on the list right now.

That's a bad sign for a guy coming into his '3rd year breakout' season and competing with Remigio, who missed the entire season and Ross who simply hasn't played much at all. Toney was gonna be a tough guy for him to get ahead of anyway, IMO. But if he's presently trailing those other two, the guy is toast.

Turd

Might be but he seems to be better than Moore based on stats.

I really wish someone would give us something for him. Even a player for player would be fine. Someone we can later cut with no financial penalty if needed.

That's best for the team. Andy will hopefully just say that he missed on Skyy and move forward without him.

Honestly it's better that he is obviously trash.

It's much worse when a dude has "potential" and/ or runs hot and cold. If he just sucks outright, and that seems to be the case with Moore, then it is a much easier decision to cut him and move on.

Sucks to burn a high draft pick but that is life sometimes.

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I recall him doing a combine interview with NFL radio before he got drafted. I was listening to it and I was like, "This guy screams shitty Belichick WR"

Everything he said was about his team approach and his selflessness and his work ethic. The bells rang in my head and signaled a player who knew he possessed no elite physical traits to play the position. For certain positions you can hear that kind of talk and go, "Well, he seems nice. Let's see what he can do on the team." For others, like WR, you DON'T want that kind of attitude. At all. You want to hear the diva talk and the "I'm the ****ing greatest, bitch" and all that other stuff. But he didn't give even a whiff of it. And at that moment I was like, "Good thing our GM doesn't draft shit players like this."

I convinced myself when we took him that I was wrong and how that was an unfair assessment based on one interview. I ate up that college separation rate bullshit stat that got passed around. And mostly, I was adamant that he be given a fair shake which might mean getting a full redshirt year his first season.

He got a fair shake. He got two years of a shake. That's more than most players get.

It's okay. GMs will miss on players. They all do. And it's not like the guy didn't try hard. It didn't work out. He had a dream of playing in the NFL, and he got there, but he flamed out. Nothing personal. But, yeah... he does need to go away.

They thought he was perfect for the system despite the lack of physical skills, but it's just not happening. Rice is what Moore was supposed to be, and he no longer serves any purpose. His chances of making the team are basically non existent.

Bye, Skyy.

Yep, he's had 2 years of development. Not showing a damn thing more than when he was drafted.

I still don't see how he was evaluated as a 2nd round talent. I merely assumed the Chiefs saw something in him and trusted their player evaluation. It's really baffling though because, he's not big, he's not strong, he's not fast, he has shitty hands, he doesn't track the ball well, he runs shitty routes, he has zero football IQ, he went to a small school that plays against mediocre competition, AND he didn't even played RB until sometime in his college career IIRC.
Like WTF warrants a second round grade there?

I give DJ a shitload of credit there. He recognized it right away and called it out.

The draft nerds were all over him too. Dane Brugler called him the best route runner in the draft IIRC. And route running is literally his worst trait.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rn-michigan-wr

What Vleacherreport said about him

POSITIVES

— Consistently plays balanced with good quickness and body control.

— Shows polish on the routes he is asked to run. Maintains speed coming out of breaks and understands how to stay friendly to the quarterback on his breaks.

— Flashes the quickness and play strength to beat press coverage. Keeps corners off-balanced.

— Tracks deep balls and can make the awkward catch. Is able to adjust for catches at all angles and come down with the ball.

— Good hands. Snatches throws and rarely loses speed to create after the catch.

—.Competitive. Fights as a blocker.

— Aligned both inside and outside. Was also used on jet sweeps.

NEGATIVES

— Below-average height for the position.

— Limited route tree because of RPO heavy offense.


2021 STATISTICS

12 G, 95 REC, 1292 YDS (13.6 AVG), 10 TD


NOTES

— 2021 first team All-MAC


OVERALL

Moore aligned outside and in the slot at the college level. He does not have great height, but he does have a solidly built frame that allows him to play through contact while running routes. Moore also showed polish on the routes he was asked to run in Western Michigan’s RPO-heavy scheme. With consistent glimpses of his body control when breaking on routes, Moore understood how to stay friendly to the QB and would work himself into favorable positions.

Moore is more of an above-average-to-good athlete. While he constantly displays his quickness, balance and body control with his route running and when adjusting for throws away from his body, he doesn’t have a true top-end gear and doesn’t truly burst out of his route breaks or with the ball in his hands after the catch. Being more on the “quicker rather than fast” side, he is able to win versus press coverage and will open up the possibilities of being able to operate on the outside even with his below-average height.

Yes, but above average height for Andy Reid!

I still remember the day he was drafted. I have never in my life been more pissed about a draft pick. I mean, i don't even really really get mad when the Chiefs take someone i don't like or wasn't expecting.

But that day....i was HEEEEAAAATED. I remember pacing my backyard, pissed off, smoking a blunt trying to relax.

I think it took me like 2 hours to chill. My wife and son got it the worst, with my rants, lol. They got an earful.

But even still, i thought that he'd at least be a 500 yard a season guy. I thought the Chiefs would get at least that out of him. I was wrong.

You know how college prospects will get a star added to their rankings based on their offer list? That's how.

Some kid will be a 3 star prospect then Texas and Alabama will offer him and Rivals, sight unseen, will give him a 4th star because "Hey, if UT and Bama want him, he's obviously at least a 4-star..."

The Chiefs, even before the B2B, were among the most respected organizations in football. Reid was certainly viewed as at worst the 2nd best offensive coach in the game (McVay was getting pumped off a lot at the time).

So we drafted him and the draft folks gave him a 4th star. Had the Cardinals taken him, I don't think you see that kind of hype fly up around him.

And to be fair on my analysis of him, even I didn't think he'd be THIS bad. I thought he'd be an average NFL player with a long learning curve so I was thinking 3rd rounder or 4th round value IIRC. I didn't expect him to flat ****ing suck. Maybe just take longer than a 2nd rounder should to make an impact and ultimately be a fairly limited guy.

But I did note that the small school thing meant his floor was 'out of the league before his rookie contract' and sho 'nuff, that seems awfully likely to happen. Sometimes the floor is what ya get...

This guy will be better than Justin Jefferson

You and me, bro. Ride or Die!

Yeah, that's not great. I really, really was pulling for him this time last year, but in his case the proof is in the pudding. And he's already dropping passes in manners that Remigio is catching them?

Calling it right now, 7-24-24.........He gone.

He has a very good chance to be promoted higher at Primerica than Jefferson will ever have.

There had to be a mixup. Surely the bolded part was describing a different WR.

Follow the link, it's his profile.

I would agree with you but I am not a paid NFL scout or analyst.

Yes that was what I heard when he came out too. Ran amazing crisp routes. Couldn't be further from the truth. Only draft WR's from real college football programs.

I read your first three sentences and thought, "Hey maybe a light bulb is going off for Bwillie and he's starting to get it".

And then you wrote your 4th sentence and i was like, "Ah **** it, whatever..."

Typical draft guru echo chamber, IMO.

There was just so little available film on him (and so many WR prospects that year) that you’ll never convince me that these people actually saw that on tape.

Someone else said it, this guy repeated it.

Curious if he is practice squad eligible and if KC stuffs him there as an emergency WR.

I believe the rules still allow for players with more than 2 years experience to be on the PS.

It was a change they made during COVID and I think they kept it, though I don't specifically recall.

Honestly, I don't think they'll re-sign him to the PS. When they cut bait on Speaks, they never had any inclination to put him on the PS. When they have a guy that they've seen enough of, they're not typically going to just stash them on the PS because they've been in the system.

If they think so poorly of Moore that they cut him, I don't think they'll consider him for the PS.

Last year Mike Pennell was signed to the practice squad during the season before he got elevated to the 53 later on.

Ohhh I thought he was projected as 2nd round talent going into the draft.

Nikko Remigio might be what we thought Skyy Moore was going to be

Was kinda looking that way even last year before he was injured.

If you see him getting a lot of special teams run and/or Toney getting more run with the RBs, that may be a sign that they are going to try to keep him rather than stash him on the PS.

Remigio they'll definitely put on the PS if they decide to cut him and can sneak him through. They clearly think highly of him. And if he's out there getting the job done as a stark contrast to Moore, that is only going to help him because those two are very very similar players.

Having a clear point of comparison that you're outperforming is going to help a lot.

Hollywood
Rice
Worthy
Watson
Hardman
Toney

Sure seems to be a probable starting 6 at this point. Maybe Hardman ends up getting run down or Toney gets hurt or shits the bed. But at most I see two available openings and if Moore is truly running behind Remigio at this point and maybe even Ross...there just isn't a path for him to make the team. That's a guy that may not survive first cuts as a 'favor' to him.

Dude doesn’t seem to have the mental acuity to play in a Reid scheme and runs like molasses.

I’m just gonna pretend we used a 2nd on him rather than Skyyyy.

First cuts isn't a thing anymore I'm pretty sure.

{old man shakes fist at cloud}

"My team has first cuts and that's the way I likes it!!!"

Part of running like molasses might actually be because of the mental aspect. I still don't think he has a goddamn clue what he's doing most of the time, and it shows.

I’ll buy that he plays slow because he’s not confident of his assigned route tree vis a vis the play and his role in it.

Don't get me wrong, he's not fast by a long shot, but running with hesitancy makes it far worse.

Pretty junk RAS score, fwiw.

hey bub if i ain't got it by now i aint ever gonna get it

This piece of shit still exist?

Skyy is a cautionary tale of locking in on a specific type of player instead of picking the best guy and adapting the system around him. We were so deadset on bringing catch and run guys that we convinced ourselves we could get value out of a guy who could be coached out of his weaknesses. It's not hard to see what role they wanted for him. It's just weird that we missed clear talent deficiencies.

Oh well, a rare miss and we did more than fine despite the pick

Narrator: Veach did not get the best one.

Truer words were never spoken.

Good point. He was given every chance to show something last year and failed miserably. This year, he should be on the outside looking in.

Kinda surprised they haven’t traded him for a ham sandwich by now.

The stage was too big for him.

I’m still eating the crow

I went into the gas station to grab a drink about 20 minutes go. I think it's very possible I saw him waiting for his order at McDonalds. (The McDonald's is attached to gas station.)

Or maybe he was picking up a job application. :shrug:

If Skyy Moore was a McDonalds menu item, he would probably be a filet-o-fish.