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Saccopoo 12-31-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9258290)
Wow sac....haha.

I love the "in a blizzard with strong winds" qualifier.

What is so difficult about saying he is a good prospect that had a bad game? Why can't you give him a decent analysis of what happened rather than posting some irrelevant stats that don't even begin to tell the story?

He didn't have a bad game.

His defense had an atrocious game.

His offensive line had a very bad game.

He made the throws he needed to make in adverse weather conditions.

He had receivers drop balls that hit them directly in the chest. He had a corner route in the end zone where the ball was perfectly thrown but the receivers got tangled up in trying to set a pick on the route. He threw a tight sideline ball for a first down but had the receiver simply stopped on the route.

As someone said, due to the inclement weather conditions, this was a game that was going to be won by the team with the best running game and best defense. It was. There was no way that you were going to see either team going downfield. The footing was atrocious, the ball slick and there was heavy snow and heavy winds.

Ryan Nassib had a substantially worse day as a passing QB than Geno did and Nassib is a potential borderline first rounder as well that holds nearly every Syracuse passing record.

I'm sorry if you can't figure all this out and see that for all things considered, Geno had a decent day. It was far from a bad game.

Saccopoo 12-31-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9258341)
He took TWO sacks for safties. It's not just the fact that he took two sacks like that, it's the fact that he took them JUST as the WV was gaining momentum. One came after the defense forced a turnover. He also fumbled a center/QB exchange. His Lone big play came on pass where the defender slipped and fell. To his credit, he also had a short slant that went the distance, but was called back due to a penalty.

Despite all that, he still showed off his impressive accuracy, quick release and above avg athleticism.

THAT is the truth.

The first safety was a jail break blitz with four defenders in the backfield from three directions almost immediately. Probably should have audibled a run right there, but I don't know if that's on the coach or him. But he wasn't getting away from that sack.

The second safety should have been a 15 yard personal foul on the Syracuse defensive lineman. Geno was moving to the left and had open space and a blocker in front of him. The Syracuse lineman intentionally leg whipped him and brought him down.

ToxSocks 12-31-2012 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9258546)
He didn't have a bad game.


He made the throws he needed to make in adverse weather conditions.

You are ****ing reeruned. Even SNR, the biggest Geno Homer on this board would admit he had a bad game.

:facepalm: Anyone with a set of eyes could see he had a bad game. The mere fact that you cant even give an honest evaluation speaks volumes.

FishingRod 12-31-2012 11:35 AM

16/24
197 yards
2 TDs
0 Ints
163.1 QB rating


I dream of the day when a Chiefs QB calls that a bad game.

Chiefnj2 12-31-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9258564)
The first safety was a jail break blitz with four defenders in the backfield from three directions almost immediately. Probably should have audibled a run right there, but I don't know if that's on the coach or him. But he wasn't getting away from that sack.

The second safety should have been a 15 yard personal foul on the Syracuse defensive lineman. Geno was moving to the left and had open space and a blocker in front of him. The Syracuse lineman intentionally leg whipped him and brought him down.

Geno should have noticed the blitz on the first safety. His right side was overloaded.

Geno should not have been in the endzone on the 2nd safety. The ball started on the 9 or 10 yard line. He had time, yet he kept drifting back and back. Did the ref miss the trip - yes. But it still doesn't excuse Geno's failure to know where he was and his inability to throw the ball away.

Saccopoo 12-31-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9258570)
You are ****ing reeruned. Even SNR, the biggest Geno Homer on this board would admit he had a bad game.

:facepalm: Anyone with a set of eyes could see he had a bad game. The mere fact that you cant even give an honest evaluation speaks volumes.

You're ****ing reeruned if you can't figure conditions into the equation.

16/24 (numerous drops, including a drive killing third down that hit the receiver right in the middle of the chest)
197 yards
2 TDs (with another called back due to a penalty)
0 Ints
163.1 rating

In heavy snow and wind.

And that's a bad game?

What was your opinion of Nassib then, if you don't mind me asking?

Imon Yourside 12-31-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FishingRod (Post 9258585)
16/24
197 yards
2 TDs
0 Ints
163.1 QB rating


I dream of the day when a Chiefs QB calls that a bad game.

same, Mannings QB rating was like 142(That's what Holtus stated) yesterday.

Chiefnj2 12-31-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9258604)
same, Mannings QB rating was like 142(That's what Holtus stated) yesterday.

You realize that college ratings and pro ratings are two completely different things?

Imon Yourside 12-31-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9258611)
You realize that college ratings and pro ratings are two completely different things?

Actually I didn't know that, how much different are they? Better yet, what would Geno's QB rating have been in the NFL?

Molitoth 12-31-2012 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9258595)
Geno should have noticed the blitz on the first safety. His right side was overloaded.

Geno should not have been in the endzone on the 2nd safety. The ball started on the 9 or 10 yard line. He had time, yet he kept drifting back and back. Did the ref miss the trip - yes. But it still doesn't excuse Geno's failure to know where he was and his inability to throw the ball away.

I will agree with you here.
I love the potential of Geno, and he has been stellar this year... but Geno did not have a good game in the Pinstripe Bowl.

Given that, for the people who are judging him based on that game alone.... they are fucking idiots.

Pin Head 12-31-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9228049)
I'm curious as to how many "reads" some of you think a QB has once the ball is snapped?

Geno and his pals got their asses kicked by a so-so Syracuse team in their bowl game. His short and mid range accuracy needs a lot of work. So does his pocket presence and progressions.

He's going to be another Akili Smith or David Carr.

Chiefnj2 12-31-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9258615)
Actually I didn't know that, how much different are they? Better yet, what would Geno's QB rating have been in the NFL?

http://www.primecomputing.com/

His rating still would have been very good - 120 range.

Imon Yourside 12-31-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9258642)
http://www.primecomputing.com/

His rating still would have been very good - 120 range.

Methinks our QB's were about half that for the year, and that was Geno's worst game of the year. I know apples to oranges college to NFL but Geno seems like the sure fire choice for #1.

Molitoth 12-31-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9258639)
Geno and his pals got their asses kicked by a so-so Syracuse team in their bowl game. His short and mid range accuracy needs a lot of work. So does his pocket presence and progressions.

He's going to be another Akili Smith or David Carr.

Another dumbfuck. Negged.

Saccopoo 12-31-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9258595)
Geno should have noticed the blitz on the first safety. His right side was overloaded.

Yes it was, however, there was also immediate penetration by the defense on the left side as well as the middle. Like I said, he wasn't going to get out of that sack. That's more on the line than anyone, though an audible should have been called for a run once the blitz was shown.

However, Syracuse is a very good blitz defense and does a good job of disguising when they are blitzing and what players are coming upfield. They were 10th in the FBS division in tackles for loss without having any high level/marquee players on their defense.

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Geno should not have been in the endzone on the 2nd safety. The ball started on the 9 or 10 yard line. He had time, yet he kept drifting back and back. Did the ref miss the trip - yes. But it still doesn't excuse Geno's failure to know where he was and his inability to throw the ball away
He had an open running lane to the left with a blocker in front and was moving in that direction when the leg whip occured. The defensive player was contained and wasn't going to make the tackle on Smith. If you want to blame that safety on Geno, then you go right ahead, but it was still an illegal leg whip that brought him down for the safety.


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