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Molitoth 12-31-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9259516)
I'm curious to hear other's opinions on this.

Do you think Geno had a good game?

Do you think he did enough as a QB to win that game?

I'm not asking you to evaluate Geno as a prospect. I'm asking you to evaluate that game, and tell me how it was "good".

Hey Detox, I understand your point... and IMO Geno had a BAD game.
I've already done my good amount of research on Glennon, Geno, Wilson, and Barkley so I've already determined who I want the Chiefs to draft and what kind of offense I want to build.
That said, I'm not blind... Geno had a bad game.
Now, there were factors that caused that bad game: weather, syracuse defense that took away the deep ball, WV defense who put Geno behind quick, penalties, dropped passes.

Yes, Geno had a bad game and it's truely a shame that most people that haven't seen him play this or last year judge him on the pinstripe bowl because of hype.

ToxSocks 12-31-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9259538)
C'mon man, don't be a pussy.

You've called Geno's performance "falling flat on his face" and expected an "efficient" game from him, all things considered.

I'd like to know what you would have thought would have been "efficient" with "all things considered."

Let's hear it, versus you trying to weasel out of it.

What would've been efficient? Have i NOT stated this enough yet?

0-10 on 3rd down is not efficient.

0-2 on 4th Down is not efficient.

Fumbling the ball in the end zone is not efficient.

taking sacks for safties after your struggling defense gets a takeaway is NOT efficient.

Yes, Geno fell flat on his face. He was expecting to create seperation between he and the next QB. Did he do that? No, he didn't.

The Majority of CP tuned in to see if he could do it. He didn't. If anything, he actually made his case worse. If you don't believe he made it worse, ok fine. But there is no way you could tell me he made it better. In that sense, he failed.

He was GIVEN chances by his atrocious defense and he failed.

How does that = a good performance?

When was the last time you labeld a QB, who's offense went 0-10 on 3rd down and 0-2 and 4th down, efficient?

For the Majority of that game, he and his offense couldn't get anything going. How is that efficient?

ToxSocks 12-31-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9259551)

Yes, Geno had a bad game and it's truely a shame that most people that haven't seen him play this or last year judge him on the pinstripe bowl because of hype.

I agree 100%. Those people are equally as reeruned as those who are so stuck on Geno's nuts that they can't see the game for what it was.

Pin Head 12-31-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9259510)
Okay troll, I'll play...



I know that they are not close. They are two completely different types of quarterbacks. Griffin's game relies on his legs to get him/his downfield receivers open. Smith is a pocket QB with the athleticism/mobility to make a play with his legs only when he has to. In fact, he probably trusts his arm too much at times when he could take off downfield.

Think of Griffin as a smart version of Michael Vick and Geno as an Aaron Rogers if you want the most appropos NFL comparisons.



So, Troll, I'll ask you this like I've asked most of the other trolls:

Who is your pick at #1?

If Geno Smith isn't worth the #1 pick, who is, and if it's not a QB, then how do you address the Kansas City Chiefs QB situation?

look man, you're allowing yourself to overrate and over state Geno Smith's value. History tells us that several QB's in this draft will unpleasantly surprise everyone. So, this is what you have in mind?

Best Case Scenario: Chiefs draft Geno and he's about Cam Newton good. So, Chiefs win 6 games next year, score more points and look competent?

I'm giving you best case scenario of what happens if the Chiefs select Geno #1 overall. Using Newton as an example is a huge stretch because Cam is a VASTLY superior prospect to G Smith. Not even in the same Universe.

ToxSocks 12-31-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9259623)
look man, you're allowing yourself to overrate and over state Geno Smith's value. History tells us that several QB's in this draft will unpleasantly surprise everyone. So, this is what you have in mind?

Best Case Scenario: Chiefs draft Geno and he's about Cam Newton good. So, Chiefs win 6 games next year, score more points and look competent?

I'm giving you best case scenario of what happens if the Chiefs select Geno #1 overall. Using Newton as an example is a huge stretch because Cam is a VASTLY superior prospect to G Smith. Not even in the same Universe.

That's a different argument.

Saccopoo 12-31-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9259623)
look man, you're allowing yourself to overrate and over state Geno Smith's value. History tells us that several QB's in this draft will unpleasantly surprise everyone. So, this is what you have in mind?

Best Case Scenario: Chiefs draft Geno and he's about Cam Newton good. So, Chiefs win 6 games next year, score more points and look competent?

I'm giving you best case scenario of what happens if the Chiefs select Geno #1 overall. Using Newton as an example is a huge stretch because Cam is a VASTLY superior prospect to G Smith. Not even in the same Universe.

And thank you for providing absolutely nothing. You don't want Geno, but you're a complete chicken shit hiding behind a mult tag, too gutless to make a call on who you think is worthy of the #1 draft pick or what the Chiefs should do in terms of their QB situation.

Chicken shit.

Molitoth 12-31-2012 01:52 PM

Why can't all of these mults post on their main account? If your opinion is so Right, then why be ashamed of it?
There are going to be 2 sets of groups:

The people who are right about Geno being good.
The people who are right about Geno being a bust.

You have a 50% chance. Quit being a pussy.

Bowser 12-31-2012 01:57 PM

And all of this being said, Geno is still head and shoulders above the three floating QB turds we have on the roster now, and that is even taking into account that he has never faced an NFL defense in his entire playing career.

Pin Head 12-31-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9259646)
And thank you for providing absolutely nothing. You don't want Geno, but you're a complete chicken shit hiding behind a mult tag, too gutless to make a call on who you think is worthy of the #1 draft pick or what the Chiefs should do in terms of their QB situation.

Chicken shit.

If I were GM, I'd take a bluechip defender with the 1st overall. I'd take a WR in round 2, trade a 6th for Matt Flynn, suck in 2013 and take Terry Bridgewater or perhaps another emerging QB in 2014.

Imon Yourside 12-31-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9259710)
If I were GM, I'd take a bluechip defender with the 1st overall. I'd take a WR in round 2, trade a 6th for Matt Flynn, suck in 2013 and take Terry Bridgewater or perhaps another emerging QB in 2014.

See that red dot below your post count? it will increase in red, invest away!

Simplicity 12-31-2012 02:00 PM

Number 1 fan.

ToxSocks 12-31-2012 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9259697)
And all of this being said, Geno is still head and shoulders above the three floating QB turds we have on the roster now, and that is even taking into account that he has never faced an NFL defense in his entire playing career.

Right.

And the debate shouldn't be whether or not the Chiefs should take a QB#1. That is obvious. To those who can't see what their biggest need is, i am sorry for you.

The only debate we should be having is WHO that Qb is.

To those who say there is no Qb worth drafting.....well...you haven't been paying attention to the NFL.

A QB will emerge as the favorite as the months go by. The only question is, which qb will it be.

Saccopoo 12-31-2012 02:02 PM

[QUOTE=Detoxing;9259572]
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What would've been efficient? Have i NOT stated this enough yet?

0-10 on 3rd down is not efficient.

0-2 on 4th Down is not efficient.
So, 12 times they didn't convert. Geno goes 16/24. Are all 8 of his incompletions on these downs?

Is it his specific audibles on third and fourth downs that ruin WVU's chances at a first?

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Fumbling the ball in the end zone is not efficient.
Neither is the offensive line letting four guys through before he can get into his drop back.

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taking sacks for safties after your struggling defense gets a takeaway is NOT efficient.
See above. And you are saying the second safety wasn't an illegal leg whip?

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Yes, Geno fell flat on his face. He was expecting to create seperation between he and the next QB. Did he do that? No, he didn't.
And this is why I mentioned Nassib, WVU's pass defense and the weather. But you don't seem to care about any of that, just that Geno "fell on his face" in this game.

Oh, and by the way, who is the "next QB" in your estimation?

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The Majority of CP tuned in to see if he could do it. He didn't.
Do what? Forced to make downfield passes in the snow and wind? Once Syracuse established the run and virtually were scoring at will with the run, then WVU's only option was the downfield pass. In that weather. With the Syracuse blitz turned up to 11 at that point.

But, yeah, Geno really ****ed up by not passing for 500 yards and 4 TDs in that game. Now I see your point.

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He was GIVEN chances by his atrocious defense and he failed.
Are you ****ing serious? Did you watch the game at all? His defense gave him chances? Like when they failed to stop the run at all, let Syracuse pound it down their throats and dominate the time of possession? Those chances?

Talk about trying to argue with a drunk...

****.

Molitoth 12-31-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9259710)
If I were GM, I'd take a bluechip defender with the 1st overall. I'd take a WR in round 2, trade a 6th for Matt Flynn, suck in 2013 and take Terry Bridgewater or perhaps another emerging QB in 2014.

A 6th is NOT going to get Matt Flynn.

Saccopoo 12-31-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9259710)
If I were GM, I'd take a bluechip defender with the 1st overall. I'd take a WR in round 2, trade a 6th for Matt Flynn, suck in 2013 and take Terry Bridgewater or perhaps another emerging QB in 2014.

Who is that "bluechip" defender you are going to take mult?

And Terry Bridgewater is better than Geno?

Really?


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