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Amnorix 02-28-2009 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5539022)
Honestly, there's no real excuse for not competing for the wildcard THIS YEAR.
wow that's optimistic.

You're still short on talent, comparatively, have a REALLY young team, in the tough AFC, and implementing a new system on offense and defense with all new coaches this year.

But other than that, you're right in the mix...

Hammock Parties 02-28-2009 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5539044)
No. While our defense wasn't "horrid", it wasn't good. We were nearly last in 3rd down defense and in red zone defense.

Not sure where we were in points per game, but I doubt it was in the top 10.
WHAT?

IT WASN'T ALL MATT CASSEL'S FAULT?

Amnorix 02-28-2009 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 5539066)
You've probably been asked this a bunch already but I haven't seen, but what's your take on Cassel?
To try to limit this question across multiple threads, I'll create a new thread on this by tonight. Might be sooner, might be later, but I'll definitely get to it.

Bottom line -- it's hard to say for sure whether he'll succeed, but I think he has all the mental and physical tools and the risk is lower with him than it would be with some unproven draft pick.

Sully 02-28-2009 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5538941)
Am I entitled to my own ****ing opinion, Herr Deal?
How old are you?

Coogs 02-28-2009 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5539022)
Honestly, there's no real excuse for not competing for the wildcard THIS YEAR.
Winning the West may be easier than getting a Wild Card this season based off the schedules for the West teams. And I really think we are now a player in the West.

Fairplay 02-28-2009 03:34 PM
I think we will trade our 1st round pick for another first and a third.

Chiefs are on the road to success!

Rain Man 02-28-2009 03:35 PM
Holy cow. I just showed up and saw this.

In most cases I would decry a trade such as this. It's essentially the Matt Schaub trade from last year.

However, the key difference is that Pioli knows these guys. He didn't just watch film, he saw them from an insider's perspective. If a two-time NFL Executive of the Year knows these guys from the inside and thinks it's a good trade, then I'll trust his judgment.

cdcox 02-28-2009 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5539052)
You and Hamas are both far more intelligent than this. Sure he won 5 less games than Tom Brady did, in the best regular season in the history of the NFL. Great, if perfection is the standard we're working with, then this is a failure. If Tom Brady, one of the greatest QB's of all time, is the standard here, then this is a failure. Because I'd put money that Matt Cassel never has a 16-0 regular season here.

Setting an impossibly high standard to justify a personnel move you don't like is not going to work in this argument.
Not expecting 16-0. But I did expect a QB that had a chance of developing into a great QB. I don't think Cassel gives us that chance. He's only had one year as a starter, but he had a hell of a supporting cast. He'll have to improve a lot this season just to stay where he is in QB rating or any other measure you want to use for QB play.

Fairplay 02-28-2009 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 5539066)
You've probably been asked this a bunch already but I haven't seen, but what's your take on Cassel?


yeah, i don't want to go back through this thread, tell us.

Fairplay 02-28-2009 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 5539086)
Holy cow.
However, the key difference is that Pioli knows these guys. He didn't just watch film, he saw them from an insider's perspective. If a two-time NFL Executive of the Year knows these guys from the inside and thinks it's a good trade, then I'll trust his judgment.


My thoughts exactly.

Rain Man 02-28-2009 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5539076)
To try to limit this question across multiple threads, I'll create a new thread on this by tonight. Might be sooner, might be later, but I'll definitely get to it.

Bottom line -- it's hard to say for sure whether he'll succeed, but I think he has all the mental and physical tools and the risk is lower with him than it would be with some unproven draft pick.
Now.

I want it now.

Amnorix 02-28-2009 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5539064)
Based on the stunningly reeruned "yards allowed per game" you are correct.

I've posted diatribes against the stupidity of this system before. Last I knew, POINTS, and not yards, determined who won and lost in the NFL.

Based on POINTS allowed, the Patriots were 25th. That sucks.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...G&d-447263-n=1

cdcox 02-28-2009 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 5539086)
Holy cow. I just showed up and saw this.

In most cases I would decry a trade such as this. It's essentially the Matt Schaub trade from last year.

However, the key difference is that Pioli knows these guys. He didn't just watch film, he saw them from an insider's perspective. If a two-time NFL Executive of the Year knows these guys from the inside and thinks it's a good trade, then I'll trust his judgment.
That argument pretty much gets canceled out by the Bill Belichick thought it was a good trade argument.

damaticous 02-28-2009 03:37 PM
Wow!

I like it...a lot! Cassel as starter. Draft DT and keep Thigpen to develop as a second stringer...ala Huard.

I really think this is a great move. A little expensive, but we have the money.

The only thing I don't like about it is that it feels like my beloved AFC Chiefs are going to turn into an NFC-like football team. I like the old school, hard-nosed football of the AFS. I expected to move towards NFCesk though, since we now have NFC coaches.

ChiefJustice 02-28-2009 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 5539021)
I wonder how many people will misspell Cassel during his tenure here...

I think that Mike Castle is going to be very good for us.:thumb:


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