And, yet, Cassel's average per pass is currently 6.8 yards. Carson has only three of seven years that he has averaged more yards per pass.

So, again, what does that say about Palmer?

Oh, and he averaged 6.9 yards per pass last season, which is more than Palmer has averaged in any of the three most recent seasons he played.

Just don't see the wow factor you do.

Cassel's got one of the best YAC receivers in the game... No one gains more from their receivers than Cassel.

3/4 of Cassels passes dont even travel 10 yards and 1/5 of them don't even make the LoS. He's practically playing a college game at the NFL level, its a ****ing embarrassment.

The Raiders might be the best run blocking team in the league.

I'm not sure when it happened but the Chiefs seem to have adopted the old Raiders style and the Raiders seem to have adopted the old Chiefs style of offense.

Who's better off?...

Again, I have no love for Cassel. This is more just to look at Palmer objectively.

If I had to pick one for my team, I probalby choose Palmer. But, that is choosing between Cassel and Palmer. Not choosing between my first and second round pick or trading for Palmer.

I think Cassel and Vrabel for a second was far better value than Palmer for a first and a second.

I think either trade should land you some very uncomfortable time making sex with banjo music in the background...

This isn't about the wow factor of Plamer, its about the lack there of with both of them and why comparing the two is a waste of time. Both aren't good enough enough. AVG per pass is such a misleading stat. Its like RBI's in baseball. Its dependent on other players. You need to find the stat that shows how far Cassel's balls traveled in the air. Throwing it 5 yards to Bowe for a 50 yard TD affects Cassel's yards per pass. Explain how its sensible to use that stat in an arguement about Cassel's down the field attempts.

Now I do agree that our trade gave up less. Comparing each to the trade they were in may yield some differences. Still, Cassel has strapped us for 3 years and horribly maybe more. That has to be factored into the quality of the deal. If you trade for a QB and give up a burger its a decent trade. But if the QB is horrilbe and plays for 15 years its a terrible trade. Worse than a trade for a QB for 2 1sts if you cut your losses at some point.

Of course. Cassel is just surrounded by studs. I forgot. I mean, last year, he had Bowe and.... um.

You fail to mention that when Palmer was really good, he had a pretty good offense around him too.

Again, this isn't a parade for Cassel. But, if you look at numbers, Cassel and Palmer compare very well.

And, considering we all know that Cassel isn't a difference maker.... you would expect there to be more a disparity.... well, at least I would. I believe in franchise QB's and that they make a difference in spite of the talent around them.

I would think you could put Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on the Bengals and they would have better numbers than Palmer.

But, all that is hypothetical. The reality is that statistically, Palmer and Cassel are pretty similar as illogical as that may seem.

How many TD's has Rodgers averaged? 28.6, **** me, that number sounds familiar. Brady? 29.

Well, honestly, I just don't know where to get that stat. If you have it, I would be interested.

Career numbers?...

I have seen articles showing that stat for QBs. MilkMan posted one the other day showing Cassel's but not Palmers. Don't have the time to find that thread. Not sure how to find it myself. Not saying you were lazy not posting it, just that the other stat doesn't mean much in defense of Cassel.

GP | Completions | Attempts | % | Yards | Avg | TDs | INTs | Rating

97 2024 3,217 62.9 22,694 7.05 154 100 86.9
65 975 1,638 59.5 10,931 6.67 74 41 84.1

There are their numbers.

We could compare college numbers, they were on the same team after all, but it wouldnt really be fair to Cassel.

THIS JUST IN: Carson Palmer refuses to practice with his new team and demands a trade or he will retire!

So Matt doesn't have nearly the INTs but also not nearly the TDs, Yards, or Attempts. To me that shows not only that Matt doesn't push the ball, but that Matt had a run game to carry him. That in itself protects INTs. Palmer had to put those numbers up on a defense defending him where Cassel put them up on a defense defending the run.

Stop assuming which stats are Cassel's!