Gunther's biggest mistake was signing Jon Baker. Had he signed Joe Nedney, he would coached a playoff team.

Green was the best QB this team has had. That trade was ok. Where Vermiel and Co. Went wrong was not grooming a guy behind Green.

Their drafts were god awful in general though. They were always better off trading picks for players then they were drafting.

I find it funny people think trading for Green was a failure. He did exactly what he was supposed to do, the defense wasn't good enough

Teams draft QB's all the time and dont win a SB with them but that's a success according to CP.

You trade for a QB and have a chance to win and its failure/CP.

We have done this before it didnt work/CP

I wonder what Brown's fans think about drafting QBs, they seem to have drafted about 5 first rounders and haven't done shit, by CP logic they need to trade for a QB because what they have done hasn't worked.

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Son of a...bitch. If I ever become like you two, I authorize Bugeater and Frazod to take me to the nearest landfill, put a bullet in my mother****ing head, and stuff me in an old refrigerator.

And I would imagine that most intelligent Browns fans feel like that they are least putting an effort forth, though probably not getting the best pick possible from the FO.

Trading that high of a first rounder for 5 years at quarterback is only deemed a good or bad trade in playoff wins.

That's nothing against Trent Green at all, it's gauging the trade and how it effected the teams success.

Sorry, but some of us still think the Chiefs should win playoff games...Green played in 1 playoff game in 5 years.

The right decision (as it almost always is) would have been to draft Drew Brees with that pick.

LMAO ****ing dumbass

Trent Green DID work out as planned.

Unfortunately, DV and Carl forgot that you need at least some semblance of a defense to win a championship.

You know what they say about hindsight.

Also, you know damn well that the Chiefs not winning in the post season had nothing to do with Green. 3 consecutive 4000 yrd seasons.

Two top 5 offenses is FAIL?...

1st No-punt playoff game in NFL history = QB's fault...

Trent Green is not the reason we didn't win any playoff games so that argument is not valid.

You are using the assumption that we draft Brees and then draft enough good players so that 3- 5 years later we have a contending team.

Knowing what you know now, yea that would have been the thing to do, at that time it ended up as a 4 year window where we had one of the best offenses in the league if not the best. We failed to win PO games because of Greg Robinson and Vermiel being too loyal to his guys.

The big mistake was not developing a guy behind Green. They were in win now mode and mortgage the future. It had nothing to do with being "scared" to draft a QB as people here like to imply.

The problem I had with Trent Green was the short window of opportunity he gave us. With the piss poor defense we had we never could get the pieces in place and then Trent Green went down and was never the same.

That is why I want to draft a quarterback so we can open up a long term duration of opportunity and build a team around that quarterback. Not build the team and squeeze life out of players on a two year chance the retread is who they say he is.

I think Alex Smith will really help to improve our defensive numbers, yet the defense will get the credit for bailing him out in games. It is really amazing what a "game manager" QB will do for defensive stats. The bottom line is that a "game manager" QB keeps your defense off the field--which in turn automatically helps your defensive stats. Our defense will be dramatically improved for four reasons: 1) Better coaching, 2) Better scheme, 3) Better players, 4) Better play by the QB.

I think the Chiefs will do really pretty well this year, but people will bitch and moan about ASmith saying, "Uh, well, just imagine what we could of done if we had drafted and groomed our own QB."

People don't seem to understand that this is a TEAM sport. Reid and Dorsey are finding the parts/players that fit their concept of how they want their team to play. QB is the most important position on the team but some QBs fit a team scheme better than others-- and yes, that means in certain schemes a dink and dunk game managing QB will be more effective than a sexy cannon armed QB in other schemes.

I think Reid's scheme will be methodical, surgical and time consuming--and Alex Smith is the perfect QB for that type of scheme. I don't think Reid and Dorsey were blowing smoke when they said they believe that ASmith can be a future Hall of Famer--in their particular scheme he may very well wind up with a bust in Canton. Is it a guarentee? No. Far from it. However, if there is one scheme where he has any chance at all, it will be under Reid.

Between our revamped O-line, our upgraded TEs, Bowe, and the ever dangerous Charles, our offense will be a force to be reckoned with over the next few years. ASmith is a cerebral QB; he understands the game and he knows how to get the ball to his playmakers and how to put them in a position to make plays. He doesn't have to do everything himself. There is nothing wrong with being a good manager; a good manager in business knows how to get the most out of the strengths of those people he hires and surrounds himself with-- in football, it is the same thing. A good game managing QB not only increases the productivity of those players on offense, but those on defense as well by keeping them rested, ready to attack and forcing the other team into a one dimensional offense because they are playing catch up both in time and points.

My anger in this area is directed, intensely, at Carl and DV. They made NO legit attempts to improve the defense.

I agree with the defense comments.

And as far as "game managers" they're called that not because of what they add but because of what they don't take away. It's because they're first job is to not **** up.

Smith is excellent at that...