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O.city 08-31-2013 05:44 PM
In other news, our starting pitching continues to be inefficient and just down right shitty.

O.city 08-31-2013 06:14 PM
I'm so tired of watching lance Lynn pitch. He's just mentally unstable.

Frazod 08-31-2013 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9929646)
I'm so tired of watching lance Lynn pitch. He's just mentally unstable.
That's pretty much a guaranteed loss at this point. He needs to be ****ing scrapped.

O.city 08-31-2013 06:19 PM
I know some have said Lynn's a respectable 3rd starter, but I just don't see it.

Frazod 08-31-2013 07:00 PM
Now 7-1.

**** you, Lynn. 4321

scho63 08-31-2013 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9929805)
Now 7-1.

**** you, Lynn. 4321
I wish we could play the Cardinals all the time. You guys always look scared against us. No life..... :D

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-31-2013 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9929665)
I know some have said Lynn's a respectable 3rd starter, but I just don't see it.
He might be if he weren't such a gutless one who sucks the penis. All of the criticism about Garcia's mental makeup goes doubly for Lynn.

He has a 3.73 xFIP this year, which is about what you'd expect from a nice third starter, but I'd never, ever trust him in a big game, and he proves it with every pants-shitting he delivers past July

Furthermore, the Pirates are an absolute matchup nightmare for the Cardinals, and I fully expect them to drive a ****ing stake in their hearts at Busch next weekend.

O.city 08-31-2013 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9929878)
He might be if he weren't such a gutless one who sucks the penis. All of the criticism about Garcia's mental makeup goes doubly for Lynn.

He has a 3.73 xFIP this year, which is about what you'd expect from a nice third starter, but I'd never, ever trust him in a big game, and he proves it with every pants-shitting he delivers past July

Furthermore, the Pirates are an absolute matchup nightmare for the Cardinals, and I fully expect them to drive a ****ing stake in their hearts at Busch next weekend.
We've got to win tomorrow and take 2od 3 in cinci to have a chance in that series

kcpasco 08-31-2013 07:33 PM
At this point I would give Lynn's starts to either Wacha or Martinez. The guy has clearly hit a wall again and needs to sit or get sent down. I wouldnt even trust him in the pen.

Miller just seems to not pitch well against the Pirates.

kcpasco 08-31-2013 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9929897)
We've got to win tomorrow and take 2od 3 in cinci to have a chance in that series
Good news is we got our best pitcher going tomorrow.

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-31-2013 07:38 PM
I don't really trust any of our starters right now. Nor do I trust our offense. Shit, the only two players on this team I really trust right now are Matt Carpenter and Siegrist.

BigRedChief 08-31-2013 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9929843)
I wish we could play the Cardinals all the time. You guys always look scared against us. No life..... :D
Not being in the playoffs in 20+ years and you are going to talk smack?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-02-2013 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9921981)
Hard not to expect that after Matheny had him throw nearly 130 pitches last outing. That was an all-around awful first inning. Wainwright would have had two outs and no one on if Carpenter, Descalso, or Freese had a lick of range, then Carpenter's boneheaded non-cover of second was the piece de resistance.

You probably won't see the Cardinals play a worse inning this year.

Honestly, Matheny should have had kept Martinez up to start this game, even if it was a brief outing. Pitchers who go 120+ probably need 5-6 days of rest. Having a rested Wainwright start the road trip would have been a big bonus. Instead, Matheny is always playing checkers.
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9922362)
Matheny needs to give Wainwright four full passes in the rotation along with this off day. Rest him until next Tuesday. That way he pitches against Cincy and can still catch the last game of the Pitt series the following Sunday.
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9922461)
In theory, but remember when we ****ed with the rotation to get Wainwright the last start of the first half against Chicago? I'm just worried that Matheny will pitch him every fifth day instead of every fifth turn.

Well, whaddya know? Dipshit throws an obviously gassed Wainwright out there on the fifth day instead of the fifth turn and he gets his ****ing teeth kicked in again.

Pepe Silvia 09-03-2013 05:43 PM
Lets do it! **** the Reds!

BigRedChief 09-03-2013 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PackerinMo (Post 9935981)
Lets do it! **** the Reds!
Wacha is looking good :thumb:

King_Chief_Fan 09-03-2013 05:57 PM
Holiday is a slug

BigRedChief 09-03-2013 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 9936002)
Holiday is a slug
That was some ugly at bats. Swinging at balls that hit in front of the plate.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 06:18 PM
Wong looks overmatched. Don't know if it would be worth putting him on the PS roster.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 06:27 PM
I absolutely hate this lineup.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 06:52 PM
Please, just scratch a couple of runs across the board you ****ers.

BigRedChief 09-03-2013 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9936058)
Wong looks overmatched. Don't know if it would be worth putting him on the PS roster.
He has hit well at every level. I like him better than Freese in the lineup. Freese is not hitting and he's a liability in the field.

They called up Jackson, hopefully they will give him a shot at SS. We can't do worse. Surely he can hit .240.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9936150)
He has hit well at every level. I like him better than Freese in the lineup. Freese is not hitting and he's a liability in the field.

They called up Jackson, hopefully they will give him a shot at SS. We can't do worse. Surely he can hit .240.
Wong had 111 wRC+ and 120 wRC+ at AA and AAA. That's decent, but not all that good.

Freese is at 102 this year. He was 133 last year. The team is not better with Wong at second. In fact, when you put Carpenter at third and Descalso at short, the left side of the infield turns into a defensive abomination.

BigRedChief 09-03-2013 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9935997)
Wacha is looking good :thumb:
No matter what happens from here, there is no way and I mean no ****ing way you don't let Wacha start in 5 days.

Kelly and Wacha are your best starters right now, today. Ride em.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 07:03 PM
You ****ing pull Wacha here? JFC :facepalm:

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 07:06 PM
**** me.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 07:09 PM
I ****ing hate Mike Matheny.

BigRedChief 09-03-2013 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9936163)
You ****ing pull Wacha here? JFC :facepalm:
I hate that move. Why? To give your pitcher some confidence? I'd like an explanation. I'm sure it will be asked post game conference.

scho63 09-03-2013 07:17 PM
Cards have picked a bad time of the year to stop hitting and scoring runs. Good for us Pirate fans

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9936186)
Cards have picked a bad time of the year to stop hitting and scoring runs. Good for us Pirate fans
Picked a bad time? This team hasn't done dick on offense in almost a month, and before a two game outburst, it was shit for weeks before that, too.

scho63 09-03-2013 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9936192)
Picked a bad time? This team hasn't done dick on offense in almost a month, and before a two game outburst, it was shit for weeks before that, too.
I know it's been a while, didn't realize a whole month. Our pitching has been choppy for the same amount of time. Jeff Locke, our All Star hasn't won a game since All Star break and his ERA is about 7.50 since the break. Our newly acquired guys from the Mets and Twins are doing good.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9936220)
I know it's been a while, didn't realize a whole month. Our pitching has been choppy for the same amount of time. Jeff Locke, our All Star hasn't won a game since All Star break and his ERA is about 7.50 since the break. Our newly acquired guys from the Mets and Twins are doing good.
Locke is a piece of shit and his luck was bound to run out. You can't pitch for an entire season with an ERA that is half your xFIP.

BigRedChief 09-03-2013 07:47 PM
Siegriest is one helluva find. Whoever scouted/pushed for him in the 41st round deserves a raise.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2013 07:52 PM
http://whatistheexcel.com/wooobooru/...ping%20wwf.gif

I tap. This team just doesn't have it.

kcpasco 09-03-2013 08:09 PM
Great game by Wacha. Its just to bad this offense decided to go into one of these bad slumps again. I hope Miller has a good one in him tomorrow because Lynn will probably get lit up again Thursday.

kcpasco 09-03-2013 08:25 PM
Just think where this team might be if it wasn't for Kelly since the AS break. Ya Kelly is probably getting extremely lucky but their is no question that he is the Cards 2nd half MVP.

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 9936365)
Just think where this team might be if it wasn't for Kelly since the AS break. Ya Kelly is probably getting extremely lucky but their is no question that he is the Cards 2nd half MVP.
Starting on Friday night we play 19 out of our final 25 games at home. We play 19 games against sub .500 teams. The Reds/Pitt play each other 6 times.

Supposely Waino was tipping his pitches. Not a physical issue. Waino/Kelly/Wacha/Miller could get the job done in the playoffs.

After 2006 & 2011 how can any Cardinal fan count them out? Shit happens in the playoffs you never see coming.

DJ's left nut 09-04-2013 05:37 PM
Oh c'mon.

You haven't figured this out by now?

Every time a pitcher sucks, it's because he's "tipping his pitches" in the Cardinals organization.

With the Royals it was always "He's landing on his heel".

Wainwright wasn't tipping his pitches, he was throwing rolling curves and 90 mph cockshots. Did you watch him throw? I can't imagine you did if you really buy that bullshit.

Now that's not to say he won't get it back - pitchers have dead arm periods. But no, tipping pitches had nothing to do with it. He was just throwing slop.

Pepe Silvia 09-04-2013 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9938364)
Starting on Friday night we play 19 out of our final 25 games at home. We play 19 games against sub .500 teams. The

After 2006 & 2011 how can any Cardinal fan count them out? Shit happens in the playoffs you never see coming.
This times 1,000. Especially after 2011.

O.city 09-04-2013 05:40 PM
I think the "tipping pitches" had more to do with our manager constantly overusing said pitcher and allowing him to throw 130 pitches in a game we had a comfortable lead in.

O.city 09-04-2013 05:42 PM
And on que, Shelby isn't efficient and can't get guys out.

This pitching staff is garbage right now.

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9938382)
I think the "tipping pitches" had more to do with our manager constantly overusing said pitcher and allowing him to throw 130 pitches in a game we had a comfortable lead in.
I would say that a more likely reason.:thumb:

O.city 09-04-2013 05:47 PM
Seriously, **** this team.


I think they're just mentally not good enough.

DJ's left nut 09-04-2013 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9938387)
And on que, Shelby isn't efficient and can't get guys out.

This pitching staff is garbage right now.
Shelby's tipping his pitches.

O.city 09-04-2013 05:51 PM
Arroyo

That's right Bronson arroyo, is gonna ****ing steamroll thru this metal midget of an offense

O.city 09-04-2013 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9938404)
Shelby's tipping his pitches.
:drool:

O.city 09-04-2013 05:53 PM
Shelby can't locate fastballs. ****ing fastballs. Not breaking pitches, ****ing fastballs.

It's a damn embarassment

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9938399)
Seriously, **** this team.


I think they're just mentally not good enough.
We had 12 games left in the 2006 season, we lost 7. We got swept by the frigging Astros. Again.........shit happens in the playoffs.

kcpasco 09-04-2013 05:57 PM
If they don't score a run tonight its 4 shutouts in their last 7 games.
Jeez talk about a slump. That is beyond sad.

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9938404)
Shelby's tipping his pitches.
well played sir, well played.:thumb:

kcpasco 09-04-2013 06:00 PM
Oh and Carpenter has the last 3 hits, and thats going all the way back to the 1st inning yesterday.

Jewish Rabbi 09-04-2013 06:14 PM
Adams damn well better figure his shit out quick if Craig misses any time.

DJ's left nut 09-04-2013 06:35 PM
Suppose Phillips knew that Shelby was throwing a hanger?

Suppose it would've mattered much either way?

O.city 09-04-2013 06:37 PM
I'm tired of watching Shelby pitch. Tired of this offense.


Pretty much tired of this shithole team. Bring on football

Simply Red 09-04-2013 06:56 PM
do you guys get another stab at the Pirates?

kcpasco 09-04-2013 06:58 PM
Does Matheny just flip a coin on managing decisions? He takes Wacha out to early and he is leaving Miller in to long.

Simply Red 09-04-2013 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 9938558)
Does Matheny just flip a coin on managing decisions? He takes Wacha out to early and he is leaving Miller in to long.
Answer my question please - Ty in advance. Really lazy tonight. Thanks again boyeeee

kcpasco 09-04-2013 07:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9938571)
Answer my question please - Ty in advance. Really lazy tonight. Thanks again boyeeee
Ya 3 game series this weekend at Busch

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 9938558)
Does Matheny just flip a coin on managing decisions? He takes Wacha out to early and he is leaving Miller in to long.
FTR, both moves worked. Just saying.

O.city 09-04-2013 07:38 PM
Matt Adams


Overmatched

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 07:44 PM
Adams is really, really overrated as a hitter. Sadly, I think the shine is off him as a player and we'd get little-to-nothing of value if we moved him.

And Wong should absolutely not be playing in crucial games down the stretch. He's Kozmaesque at the plate.

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9938694)
Adams is really, really overrated as a hitter. Sadly, I think the shine is off him as a player and we'd get little-to-nothing of value if we moved him.

And Wong should absolutely not be playing in crucial games down the stretch. He's Kozmaesque at the plate.
Kozma, Delcasco are hitting .170 since the All-Star break. Surely Jackson can hit better than .170?

Adams was playing because of injury. He is not ready for prime time. The book is out on him.

O.city 09-04-2013 07:52 PM
Adams is gonna have to figure out how to hit off speed and breaking pitches. He's really easy to pitch too right now

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9938721)
Kozma, Delcasco are hitting .170 since the All-Star break. Surely Jackson can hit better than .170?

Adams was playing because of injury. He is not ready for prime time. The book is out on him.
Nope. Gotta run Descalso out there against Chapman so he can hit the ball 18 inches.

For the life of me I will never fathom the luck that fell together for a team with an offense this shitty to score runs like they did in the first half. This is a bad, bad offensive team.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9938725)
Adams is gonna have to figure out how to hit off speed and breaking pitches. He's really easy to pitch too right now
He can't hit anything. He missed Duke's two 90mph fastballs by a foot. I can take him K'ing on 1/4 of his ABs if he had legitimate power, but the fat sonofabitch is slugging .270 since the break

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 08:07 PM
When you get past the first three in the lineup it's just six easy outs. When was the last time the Cardinals had an offense this bad?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 08:30 PM
Jesus Christ. Just ****ing Jesus Christ. Can none of these one who sucks the peniss get a hit in a meaningful situation?

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9938875)
Jesus Christ. Just ****ing Jesus Christ. Can none of these one who sucks the peniss get a hit in a meaningful situation?
But, our bullpen is lights out.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9938905)
But, our bullpen is lights out.
If you can't score you can't win.

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9938925)
If you can't score you can't win.
What do you think Reds fans are saying?

This is the type of bullpen that got us a WS in 2011. Starters having trouble going deep. Bullpen piled up the innings. It's just not Siegrist and Rosenthal its everyone they throw out there. It's been that way for a couple of weeks now.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9938994)
What do you think Reds fans are saying?

This is the type of bullpen that got us a WS in 2011. Starters having trouble going deep. Bullpen piled up the innings. It's just not Siegrist and Rosenthal its everyone they throw out there. It's been that way for a couple of weeks now.
You don't need a BP that throws nine shutout innings, you need one that can give you three and an offense that can score more than two runs per nine innings.

kcpasco 09-04-2013 09:06 PM
Ya how can you go 31 straight innings without at least 1 hr in GABP

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 09:09 PM
It's about ****ing time, you Crisco-sweating ****.

kcpasco 09-04-2013 09:10 PM
YES reverse mojo for the win!!!!!!
Give me some credit for that

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 9939057)
YES reverse mojo for the win!!!!!!
Give me some credit for that
Nothing pisses me off more than Dan and Al's consistent harping about how someone is due. It's the kiss of death every ****ing time.

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9939052)
It's about ****ing time, you Crisco-sweating ****.
Why does anyone throw Adams a fastball?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 09:18 PM
Mujicahausen in full effect.

BigRedChief 09-04-2013 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9939093)
Mujicahausen in full effect.
Lyons was pitching so good. But, I guess you have to go with Mujica here.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 09:22 PM
Classic interference. Timmons and Mujica just rat****ed the Cardinals.

kcpasco 09-04-2013 09:24 PM
Ouch this ones gonna hurt

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-04-2013 09:24 PM
Siegrist needs to be the closer with Rosenthal handling the 8th. Mujica can move back to his 2012 role. I'm sick of this bullshit.


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