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Hammock Parties 02-19-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8384030)
Michael Turner and MauriceJones-Drew are the only backs in the NFL that had 300 carries last year.

Turner only had 301

So?

I never said he should get 300 carries.

Hammock Parties 02-19-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8384105)

As a slot receiver (yes, with some gimmicky ability to motion all around the field), it's way too soon to say what he has.

No it's not.

He doesn't play snaps as a slot receiver, nor run routes as a slot receiver.

Our slot receiver is Breaston.

He's the third-down back when Charles needs a breather. That doesn't equate to 1,000 yards, or even 500.

All for #36 overall. LMAO

chiefzilla1501 02-19-2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 8384164)
No it's not.

He doesn't play snaps as a slot receiver, nor run routes as a slot receiver.

Our slot receiver is Breaston.

He's the third-down back when Charles needs a breather. That doesn't equate to 1,000 yards, or even 500.

All for #36 overall. LMAO

This is what I'm saying. I'm saying that if he were on a team that had an opening at the slot, I believe he could develop into a pretty effective one. Right now, he doesn't. He doesn't have a role on this team right now, unless someone gets hurt or cut.

DeezNutz 02-19-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8384233)
This is what I'm saying. I'm saying that if he were on a team that had an opening at the slot, I believe he could develop into a pretty effective one. Right now, he doesn't. He doesn't have a role on this team right now, unless someone gets hurt or cut.

An opening at the slot? Like the Chiefs in '10? An opening that Pioli then went out and filled with McReach still on the roster?

Hammock Parties 02-19-2012 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8384233)
This is what I'm saying. I'm saying that if he were on a team that had an opening at the slot, I believe he could develop into a pretty effective one.

I doubt it. The Chiefs seemed to have no doubts about his inability to play WR. And Haley knows WRs.

milkman 02-19-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8384105)
As a RB, he's so-so. He was more productive than he gets credit for (especially if you subtract out the massive amount of stupid playcalls that had him running up the gut). But yes, at best, he's a situational runner. Not a guy you want as your #1, but you could do worse if he's your #2 or #3 guy.

As a slot receiver (yes, with some gimmicky ability to motion all around the field), it's way too soon to say what he has. His legs seemed to have more life toward the end of the season, and I think it's more than reasonable to wonder if his late season success was due to finally having a QB who knows how to stretch out the field, which opens up the underneath stuff for him. I could give a shit if he breaks tackles like a champ. We all know that the key is to get him the ball in space with a reasonable amount of room to make people miss.

But regardless of his future, yes, in 2012, the Chiefs really have no choice to use him as a gimmick unless they lose somebody either to injury or to free agency.

He was more effective with the underneath stuff with Orton at QB because the defense had to respect Orton's downfield passing ability.

But he didn't do a damn thing that any other scrub that can catch the ball can't do.

He's not Darren Sproles or Reggie Bush.

He's just a guy.

He's not a playmaker.

He's just a guy.

Let me repeat that so you fully understand.

HE'S JUST A GUY.

Ah hell. who am I kidding?

You'll never get it.

In58men 02-19-2012 08:51 PM

DMC is legit if you give him the opportunity. He's going on his 3rd season, his 1st season he was out several weeks from a sprained ankle. Two things he needs to work on is his feet and vision.

When DMC gets "tapped" he falls. He's a one hit and fall type of back. He needs to work on his feet, keep moving them at all times. 2nd is his vision, he tends to run straight to the defenders. He'll throw a junk out every now and then, but it's rare.

milkman 02-19-2012 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 8384365)
DMC is legit if you give him the opportunity. He's going on his 3rd season, his 1st season he was out several weeks from a sprained ankle. Two things he needs to work on is his feet and vision.

When DMC gets "tapped" he falls. He's a one hit and fall type of back. He needs to work on his feet, keep moving them at all times. 2nd is his vision, he tends to run straight to the defenders. He'll throw a junk out every now and then, but it's rare.

Vision is instinctive.

It's not something you learn when you reach the NFL level.

Hammock Parties 02-19-2012 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8384358)
But he didn't do a damn thing that any other scrub that can catch the ball can't do.

He's not Darren Sproles or Reggie Bush.

He's just a guy.

He's not a playmaker.

He's just a guy.

Let me repeat that so you fully understand.

HE'S JUST A GUY.

http://i39.tinypic.com/286xzk.jpg

Hammock Parties 02-19-2012 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 8384365)
DMC is legit if you give him the opportunity. He's going on his 3rd season, his 1st season he was out several weeks from a sprained ankle. Two things he needs to work on is his feet and vision.

When DMC gets "tapped" he falls. He's a one hit and fall type of back. He needs to work on his feet, keep moving them at all times. 2nd is his vision, he tends to run straight to the defenders. He'll throw a junk out every now and then, but it's rare.

There's another word for all that shit you typed.

HE SUCKS.

O.city 02-19-2012 09:10 PM

I wouldn't go as far as to say he sucks, but I don't see him doing alot of the things some on here do.


i do think he has a place as a role type gimmick player, which is fine. He's someone that defenses have to account for, whether he makes plays or not. So there is that.

You guys are missing a positive here.

3 years ago, he would have been a top option on this team.

After the draft, there is a chance that he is the 6 or 7 guy on the list.

milkman 02-19-2012 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8384409)
I wouldn't go as far as to say he sucks, but I don't see him doing alot of the things some on here do.


i do think he has a place as a role type gimmick player, which is fine. He's someone that defenses have to account for, whether he makes plays or not. So there is that.

You guys are missing a positive here.

3 years ago, he would have been a top option on this team.

After the draft, there is a chance that he is the 6 or 7 guy on the list.

The fact that he would have been a top option 3 years ago speaks to how bare the cupboard was.

He's Top Ramen.

O.city 02-19-2012 09:17 PM

Thats what I was getting at Milkman.


With good free agent period and a good draft, a player of DMC's skill set will need to get about 4 or 5 touches per game.

chiefzilla1501 02-19-2012 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8384358)
He was more effective with the underneath stuff with Orton at QB because the defense had to respect Orton's downfield passing ability.

But he didn't do a damn thing that any other scrub that can catch the ball can't do.

He's not Darren Sproles or Reggie Bush.

He's just a guy.

He's not a playmaker.

He's just a guy.

Let me repeat that so you fully understand.

HE'S JUST A GUY.

Ah hell. who am I kidding?

You'll never get it.

He's not just a guy. He has tremendous acceleration and ability to change direction on a dime (evidenced by his terrific 3-cone time in the combine). Is he an elite player? No. I don't care who he compares to. I just want him to be a player that positively contributes to this team. Frankly, I don't know that anybody really knows what that role should be... yet.

The problem isn't that he doesn't have ability. It's that we've only seen it in flashes, and he has a ways to go before he shows he can do it more consistently. He has to protect the ball better, he has to continue to learn how to run the entire route tree, he has to get better awareness as a receiver, and he has to be smarter about what moves he uses to set up the next move. And I don't feel like he had quite the spring in his step after his injury until later in the year. I don't know if that was hesitation or just recovery. But in the last few games, I think we all saw a spring in his step that we hadn't seen before.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...ster-16-yd-run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B76nh3VOChc
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...ter-49-yd-pass

Again, he's got a long way to go, but it's ridiculous to say the upside isn't there. The problem is, in KC, there's not really a place for him. If the Chiefs didn't have Breaston and had more of an Adrian Peterson type runner, I might see his place. But they don't. So frankly... I don't see his place on KC in 2012.

BossChief 02-19-2012 09:28 PM

Truth is, he isn't as good as some think nor is he as bad as others say.

I firmly believe that once he isn't a priority for defenses to prepare for and we have a quarterback that can stretch defenses, he will excel in a similar role to what Dante Hall played for us, though maybe more versatile...but less elusive.


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