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htismaqe 12-11-2011 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8192444)
How come people use the 2010 season as proof of Weis but don't mention the OAK and BAL games? Does everyone just take it as fact that Haley took over the offense at that point?

Yep.

BigMeatballDave 12-11-2011 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8192444)
How come people use the 2010 season as proof of Weis but don't mention the OAK and BAL games? Does everyone just take it as fact that Haley took over the offense at that point?

Yep. Cassel and the O was awful the 1st 2 weeks of last season, also.

Brock 12-11-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8192444)
How come people use the 2010 season as proof of Weis but don't mention the OAK and BAL games? Does everyone just take it as fact that Haley took over the offense at that point?

What has the offense looked like without Weis?

Coogs 12-11-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8192454)
Tyler Palko is a "veteran backup".

Nothing more needs to be said.

Very much so, but...

In the last 2 3/4 games, since the 3 TO's in 3 plays by Palko, he is 46-84 for 468 yards with 2 TD's and 2 INT's. The 468 yards in 2 3/4 games comes out to right at 170 yards a game. Those 3 games are against the Steelers, Bears, and Jets defenses.

In 9 starts, Cassel was 160-269 for 1713 yards with 10 TD's and 9 INT's. The yardage per game comes out pretty much right at 190 yards a game against defenses that are probably not quite as good as the last 3 Palko has went up against.

That says Cassel is pretty much backup material as well. Both need to go as soon as the final gun goes off on January 1st.

htismaqe 12-11-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8192472)
What has the offense looked like without Weis?

If you factor in the harder schedule, the loss of Charles, but don't factor in Tyler Palko's universal suckage, it's almost exactly the SAME.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8192472)
What has the offense looked like without Weis?

The offense looked like it was starting to click in week 2 against Detroit until Charles got injured.

What would Weis' offense look like without Charles? Without Charles AND with either Stanzi or Palko as your starter?

milkman 12-11-2011 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8192472)
What has the offense looked like without Weis?

What has the offense looked like without Charles?

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8192444)
How come people use the 2010 season as proof of Weis but don't mention the OAK and BAL games? Does everyone just take it as fact that Haley took over the offense at that point?

The Chiefs' offense played well against Baltimore.
Matt Cassel played atrocious.

Which again brings us back to the original problem. That this is a problem of the QB not executing the plays on the field.

Okie_Apparition 12-11-2011 09:21 PM

People conveniently forget about the O before Charles went down against Det.

dirk digler 12-11-2011 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8192472)
What has the offense looked like without Weis?

shitty. In fact I bet Weis could make Palko look like a half way decent QB

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8192491)
shitty. In fact I bet Weis could make Palko look like a half way decent QB

This is the level we've stooped to.

milkman 12-11-2011 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8192491)
shitty. In fact I bet Weis could make Palko look like a half way decent QB

He did such a fantastic job with QBs with more natural physical ability against lesser competition at Florida.

Brock 12-11-2011 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8192513)
He did such a fantastic job with QBs with more natural physical ability against lesser competition at Florida.

Pfft. Now we're questioning whether Weis knows how to coach a QB?

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8192529)
Pfft. Now we're questioning whether Weis knows how to coach a QB?

No. We're saying that a QB is often so bad that no coach is going to fix him.

Cassel = Exhibit A

jd1020 12-11-2011 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8192529)
Pfft. Now we're questioning whether Weis knows how to coach a QB?

I don't think he knows how to coach a QB.

I think he knows how to design an offense based around his QB's strengths and avoiding their weakness.

Something Haley and Muir dont have a ****ing clue about.


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