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The constant negativity is tiresome. Who is ready to join me and move on? (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=271150)

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9521334)

Hard to be positive when the last 20 years have been suck. I guess you could replace negative with apathetic.

But here's to hoping they get it right eventually

The point of the OP was not to advocate sticking our heads in the sand, ignoring history or facts of our new players.

Just that we don't have to have every single thread filled with negative thoughts. And maybe we should consider waiting until at least a half a season before calling for Reid/Dorsey's head.

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Originally Posted by Rapist (Post 9520268)

The Packers can do that because they have a QB. The Eagles (largely) were able to do that. And that also explains the Steelers and Ravens.

I'm trying to advocate against building the San Francisco way simply because it's so damn hard to find that many talented players across the board, THEN keep them all happy contract-wise. It's a lot easier to fill one position and simply make good selections (i.e. BPA) than it is to take an Alex Smith or Matt Cassel and depend so heavily on finding that Justin Smith, five studs on the offensive line, Aldon Smith, etc.

And before you leap down my throat with "San Francisco almost won teh Super BOWL!!!" I'm talking about team BUILDING. Alex Smith may have been pretty successful with the 49ers, but who was accompanying him on that team, and how long did it take to acquire all those guys? That's a lot of drafts. It also means rolling a yahtzee on your coaches and your GM.

That's not to say that the Packers and other teams who espouse "BPA" don't require years of player acquisition and development, or that they don't have great supporting casts. They do, but there's no question who keeps those teams going. The 2011 San Francisco 49ers with just two or three injuries to crucial players on that team turn into a 90s Chiefs squad who can't ever turn the corner. The 2010 Green Bay Packers had at least double the injuries to crucial players on that roster and won the Super Bowl anyway.

I know which way I'd rather build.

Andy Reid built that way in Philadelphia with Donovan McNabb so it shows that he's not against it. He may even prefer it. BPA isn't an antonym for building around a franchise QB. But you have to have a QB prospect available to build that way (and he also needs to be available to be considered the BPA). You seem to refuse to even consider the possibility that Reid/Dorsey just don't see that prospect in Geno Smith (or any of the other available draftee QBs).

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9521173)

Should we change the name of this forum to "I didn't get my way so I'm throwing a tantrum like a petulant child"?

"Passion-Killing Custer****" works for me.
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9521860)

And that's fine, I like the moves so far. But until they start winning, it's gonna be a bit negative around here.

Win Now is the way to go. Worked GREAT for the last two regimes! Third time's a charm!
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9521173)

Should we change the name of this forum to "I didn't get my way so I'm throwing a tantrum like a petulant child"?

Nah, let's change it to "Let's ignore inconvenient history and pesky facts" planet.

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9522288)

Nah, let's change it to "Let's ignore inconvenient history and pesky facts" planet.

History with past GMs and coaches has no relevance to today. Reid and Dorsey are not Pioli and Crennel or Peterson and Herm. Give them a chance. They haven't even had one single practice yet and you guys are already pronouncing them a failure. Absurd.

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9522624)

History with past GMs and coaches has no relevance to today. Reid and Dorsey are not ***** and Crennel or Peterson and Herm. Give them a chance. They haven't even had one single practice yet and you guys are already pronouncing them a failure. Absurd.

To be fair if history doesn't matter to the new regime.......Why do we keep repeating the mistakes of the past?

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9524384)

To be fair if history doesn't matter to the new regime.......Why do we keep repeating the mistakes of the past?

What was a mistake in the past isn't necessarily a mistake today. It is a different situation.

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524458)

What was a mistake in the past isn't necessarily a mistake today. It is a different situation.

So our failure to draft a starting QB worth a crap since Len Dawson is just happenstance?

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9524462)

So our failure to draft a starting QB worth a crap since Len Dawson is just happenstance?

Or incompetence. But we don't know that Reid/Dorsey are also incompetent just because past people were. And we didn't draft Len Dawson. The greatest QB in Chiefs history, a HOF QB, was a retread. His record in the NFL before joining the AFL's Dallas Texans, was a complete failure. 21 passes for 204 yards and two touchdowns in his five (pre-AFL) seasons in the NFL before being cut.

Alex Smith has been far more successful than Lenny was before coming to this team.

Yep, lets keep applying 60's logic to this franchise; it works GREAT!
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9522624)

I am not pronouncing them failures. I disagree with their approach.

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524458)

What was a mistake in the past isn't necessarily a mistake today. It is a different situation.

this is the rationale of failure that keeps the chiefs from getting a QB

Whats the definition of insanity again?

Oh yah: repeating the same behavior, but expecting a different result

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9524913)

this is the rationale of failure that keeps the chiefs from getting a QB

Whats the definition of insanity again?

Oh yah: repeating the same behavior, but expecting a different result

They have a QB. He just isn't a drafted rookie, so you are butthurt. Not my problem.