ya, prolly never would've happened if not for an older cousin who got us a chance...they were strict, and you did not mess around...pretty premier back in the 70's..Stale Line was 2 s then...lol...
lilttle did i know my mom held onto my BHCC tag with my name on it..it's on my bag and its 40 years old..:doh!:

Just awful. Never played anything like that.

Without seeing a picture of it, my guess would be dollar spot. It's one of the most common fungi that develop on turfgrasses in extremely wet conditions.

He wasn't talking about the conditions of the course, you lying ****. He was talking about how the course is unpredictable on a first visit because you can't predict how the ball is going to bounce.

I can tell you what the greens at St. Andrews are like because I've been there. They are nothing like any of the photos you've seen of Chambers, nor are the elevation changes anything like it anywhere in Fife.

Mike Davis, per Tim Rosaforte: "The greens are unacceptable. They need smoother putting surfaces for the national championship."

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/pla...-they-go-back/.

6:15 per the clip.

The average number of putts per round in a PGA tournament is 29. It was 33 at Chambers Bay. By contrast, the worst putter on the PGA tour averages 31.2 putts per round.

It is just amazing to me how good pros putt. It truly astounds me. I really think there are lots of really good ball strikers out there who just suck at putting, and well these guys work at Kinkos or something. I played in a junior pro am a few years straight when I was in high school when it was the Nike Tour or Nationwide Tour, dont know what its called now, but those guys drilled everything. I thought their ball striking would stick out at me as the thing that separated the scratch golfers from the pros, but it was definitely their short game.

Pros make more 15 to 20 footers in a week than most "good" golfers make in 6 months.

I played with a guy that played some mini tour stuff. Great ball striker and good putter, just not a great putter. Just couldn't make enough putts

IIRC, according to Mark Broadie - tour players are 50/50 to make a putt from 8 feet.

For the common amateur, I'd be willing to bet it's closer to 15-20%, maybe even less.

I love when you cry like a bitch. You're just a well-spoken Hootie: a "think-you-know-it-all" who gets defensive when someone makes a point. As if it offends you.


I never commented on the composition of the grasses (that's your straw man) and I said it was a British Style. Phil said thusly: "I think it's wonderful. It's not your typical US Open hit and hack. You're going to be able to control it much more like a British Open".


In no sense did he qualify that statement with "the first time". You sniveling bitch.

I'm sorry, that's pure bullshit that the USGA is trying to get back there. Any long Muni, given the chance to fix all the things they say need fixing, should then have an equal chance in getting a major.

It's clear that the USGA has an agenda here, and it's to the exclusion of other venues, and what's worse is that it's for a location that has no history.

Other than a spectacular view (which most Colorado courses could argue they have too), there was nothing about this course that drove the need for the USGA to pick it. Well other than their rather failed attempt to promote "conservation." But all things being equal, their attempt to promote conservations seems to have shown little more than what the effects of neglect will get you.

The place was shit in almost every respectable measure, but they're going to keep tweaking it until it's something less than pure shit, and shove it down golfer's throats because they can.

LOL, they'll be back in part because the merchandise tent sold out? Really? Well next time a golf course's only flat spot to stand on is in the merchandising tent, maybe they'll get the same thing. That was just dumb!

I can't wait for next week so we can see golfing on grass for a change.

Speaking as a muni hacker myself, I'd probably be less than happy to play on grass like that at a US Open if I were playing it. Undulating fairways and greens are one thing, but that POA shit just isn't acceptable. I really don't feel terrible for these pros to struggle on a weekend, but THIS weekend?

Hell, play it at Staley. Staley has moguls and whoop-dee-doos right out of a ski resort, but the grass looks great!

Interesting I thought Pebble Beach had totally rehabbed the greens and rebuilt in an attempt to get rid of the POA in late 90's. I guess not but its still a beautiful green course.

Definition: Poa annua is a type of grass sometimes found on golf courses and sometimes used as the putting green grass, including at Pebble Beach Golf Links.

Definition: Poa annua is a type of grass sometimes found on golf courses and sometimes used as the putting green grass, including at Pebble Beach Golf Links.

Poa is a genus of bluegrasses. There are approximately 500 species of poagrasses. According to the Golf Course Superintendents Association of America, poa pratensis "is the species name for Kentucky bluegrass. Poa annua is annual bluegrass. There's also Poa trivialis (rough bluegrass) and Poa compressa (Canada bluegrass)."

Poa annua is easily the one best-known to golfers because it covers the putting greens at one of the world's most-famous courses, Pebble Beach in California.

Putting greens that use poa annua can sometimes have a splotchy or streaky look to them, because there are many different strains of poa annua. The more strains show up on a particular putting surface, the splotchier or streakier that putting green may appear. This is just a cosmetic affect, however, and does not impact the quality of the putting surface in terms of smoothness.

Poa annua does have one quality that some golfers don't appreciate. This includes Tiger Woods, who is not a fan of poa annua greens. That quality is this: Different strains of poa annua can grow at different rates during the sunny part of each day. That means that in the late afternoon, after a day of growing time, a poa annua green might be less smooth - bumpier - than it was throughout most of the day.

http://golf.about.com/cs/golfterms/g/bldef_poa.htm
Poa is a genus of bluegrasses. There are approximately 500 species of poagrasses. According to the Golf Course Superintendents Association of America, poa pratensis "is the species name for Kentucky bluegrass. Poa annua is annual bluegrass. There's also Poa trivialis (rough bluegrass) and Poa compressa (Canada bluegrass)."

Poa annua is easily the one best-known to golfers because it covers the putting greens at one of the world's most-famous courses, Pebble Beach in California.

Putting greens that use poa annua can sometimes have a splotchy or streaky look to them, because there are many different strains of poa annua. The more strains show up on a particular putting surface, the splotchier or streakier that putting green may appear. This is just a cosmetic affect, however, and does not impact the quality of the putting surface in terms of smoothness.

Poa annua does have one quality that some golfers don't appreciate. This includes Tiger Woods, who is not a fan of poa annua greens. That quality is this: Different strains of poa annua can grow at different rates during the sunny part of each day. That means that in the late afternoon, after a day of growing time, a poa annua green might be less smooth - bumpier - than it was throughout most of the day.

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Golf course greens can’t escape poa annua
Published 7:22am Thursday, June 24, 2010
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Anyone who watched the U.S. Open last weekend likely noticed splotchy greens — and plenty of talk about a feisty type of grass.

The grass getting all of the attention is poa annua, a widespread, native variety that blossoms at the tip, creating patchy areas. While that might sound harmless enough, the sod has become the subject of much debate and scrutiny.

And though a lot of the chatter is going on among fans on various golf forums, the debate has included the world’s top professionals.

“These greens are awful,” Tiger Woods told the Boston Globe recently about Pebble Beach Golf Links in California, where the U.S. Open was held. “They’re bouncing all over the place.’’

That criticism elicited a defense from Tom O’Toole Jr., chairman of the United States Golf Association’s championship committee.

“The greens here at Pebble Beach are poa annua (grass), and when you have 156 players playing over two days, they’re going to get bumpy,’’ he told the Globe. “While there may be criticism from some players about the bumpiness of the greens, that’s a little bit the nature of the beast to what you have here at Pebble Beach. We couldn’t be more pleased.’’

Despite the recent uproar, the poa annua issue is nothing new, Austin golf officials said.

Mike Grinstead, the owner and course superintendent at Meadow Greens, said he’s been using a chemical spray to combat the grass for at least eight years. Still, he said a few of his greens have poa.

“It’s hard to keep it out completely,” Grinstead said. “It’s a grass that’s very hard to manage.”

The chemical sprays, which come roughly once every three weeks, are meant to not only combat poa, but to strengthen other grasses in the area, the Meadow Greens owner said. The goal, Grinstead noted, is to push out poa annua as much as possible.

Other places — with bigger budgets — turn to more drastic measures. Hazeltine National Golf Club in Chaska, which hosted the 2009 PGA Championship and is slated to host the 2016 Ryder Cup, will be re-sodding greens and fairways later this summer — partly as a way to eradicate poa and replace it with more traditional bent grass.

Not all courses are faced with the problem, however. Steve Bartholomew, club manager at River Oaks in Austin, said he hasn’t had to deal with the tough grass yet. But that doesn’t mean he’s not well aware of it.

“It’s certainly stuff you got to keep an eye out for,” Bartholomew said.

Yet there are courses, including Pebble Beach, that either purposefully grow poa annua or simply just embrace it and manage it if it blooms. Mike Nelson, the superintendent at Austin Country Club, said his course is one such place.

“Everybody has (poa annua), pretty much,” he said. “We try to almost manage for it.”

Instead of treating greens, which Nelson said can just leave undesirable dead spots, staff at the country club just incorporate the grass into the course.

“You can manage the poa, it can make a good green,” Nelson said. “It’s fair for everybody. They all play the same course.”

Despite some varying tactics when it comes to poa annua, all the Austin golf pros acknowledged that the grass isn’t simply going away. It’s as common in backyards as it is on fairways, and it often travels by way of a golfer’s shoe — meaning it spreads easily from home to course, or from course to course.

“Poa is basically a native grass,” Grinstead said. “It’s just there.”

A wonderful weekend of golf spoiled by a 3 putt at the end. Poor Dustin. His putting game looks like Tiger's chips.

I wanted to see a playoff.

I had never really come across this stuff till a couple of years ago. The greens suck so bad where I play that it really doesn't matter much.