That's the million dollar question. We'll never have the answer.

But damn it's a fascinating thought exercise.

Rice
Worthy
Creed
Smith
Gray
Kingsley
Simmons

Very nice young core around Pat.

Let's add a RB and/or a TE/WR today.

I’m not really arguing anything, more just trying to tease out your approach versus theirs and seeing where they diverge.

Before the draft, you seemed like you would’ve been okay with him in the second. And that’s pretty much on the basis of knowing nothing of the specific medicals and just taking him as the median case in the study that showed that only 1 of 15 OL really recovered from the injury to play at a similar level. Totally fair.

So then let’s consider that the Chiefs have a bit more of the specific medical information that - to them at least - puts him in a more favorable light versus said median. And then maybe they have him on their board in the 5ish range instead of your 10-15.

If you work with the above construct, then gap would seem to narrow between your taking him in the second to their doing so in the first. That’s all.

The annoying thing will be, yes, they will scream “I told you so”. But if he hits they will love it and excuse him as an outlier and act like they weren’t jack asses the last 10 hours.
The god complex of some here is outrageous. I have 50,000 posts so I know everything and you can’t argue with me.

And the benefit of the 5th year option outweighs the value difference. At least imo

Yeah, usually on a machine with a spotter. Sometimes with knee on bench.

See next comment for rest of idea re: this report


Sure. The point about him squatting 225 on both legs is that if he’s squatting half the weight you’d reasonably expect to be his max rep, they’re not testing if he has regained his full strength and flexibility after the repair. So you don’t have a gauge of how much of what he was before the injury, is still present. You can be confident the surgery was good, but you haven’t texted if the knee is as powerful and good as it was before.


I told DJ - and he disagreed with me - that I wouldn’t take him. But at best, a player with these risk would be a Day 3 guy for me.

The work they put into Simmons during the same timeframe they signed Moore disagrees with that, doesn’t it?

It's a risk no matter what. The cost of the risk is what makes it a better or worse decision.

Buying a work car that might last a year for $600 is much better than buying one for $6,000.

As Mahomes gets older, a better LT might be more important.

I think I have a few posts you haven't downvoted yet, champ.

Better hustle.

No, I didn't. I just explained why he's good.

And if he can't move he's shit. Complete shit. Kingsly will be on the field. He'll be ass but he'll be an NFL player. This is not a thing that matters now - that flare up could come next week or next year and then he's done.

No one is arguing about his upside but you. We all know what it was before the injury.

I knew that would butt hurt you

I always enjoy this.

Guys get specifically called out, often by name, and when they respond - in a public discussion forum - this is the result.

Okay fella. Keep on pissing in your shoes and wondering why your socks are wet.

Why would it?

I had a couple wholly benign posts with a red thumb, figured I'd see why.

Otherwise it's draft season. Red thumbs are to be expected. Scurry along now tiger - you have posts to vote on.

Of course if he "can't move" he's going to suck.



LMAO