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WhawhaWhat 11-04-2014 10:03 AM

Not good for people who live around the fracking areas.

TIED5573 11-04-2014 11:53 AM

Gas below $3.00, that's Obama's fault!

Donger 11-04-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 11083752)
Not good for people who live around the fracking areas.

Why not?

loochy 11-04-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11083918)
Why not?

earthquakes

Donger 11-04-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 11083953)
earthquakes

Pussy.

Dayze 11-04-2014 12:18 PM

LMAO

Bugeater 11-04-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 11083731)
Great the Saudi's are winning. :( Maybe they can fuel some more beheadings in that wonderful country.

They may be winning now but they're depleting their supplies at a higher rate while we're sitting on ours. Then again, it's not like they're going to run out anytime soon...

WhawhaWhat 11-04-2014 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11083918)
Why not?

Man-made Earthquakes, poisoned tap water that can be lit on fire out of the faucet, dead babies.

Donger 11-04-2014 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 11084095)

Did you actually read those links?

tate2133 11-10-2014 08:50 AM

Donger, what is up with diesel prices, up about .30 over the weekend and almost a $1 spread v gas now?

Mr. Flopnuts 11-10-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tate2133 (Post 11100620)
Donger, what is up with diesel prices, up about .30 over the weekend and almost a $1 spread v gas now?

They know you're not going to stop buying it. Our demand is down 35% in the last 10 or so years. Yours has probably gone up with all the big rigs I see on the road.

I saw gas in the 2.70's. We're gonna hit 2.50 a gallon over the winter. I love it.

Reerun_KC 11-10-2014 08:58 AM

$2.45 here in OKC... Filled up last night on the way home from the airport...

I was like woot woot....

Donger 11-13-2014 10:05 AM

Crude dropping again today. Approaching the $75.00 mark. Gasoline at $2.91

Donger 11-13-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tate2133 (Post 11100620)
Donger, what is up with diesel prices, up about .30 over the weekend and almost a $1 spread v gas now?

I can't speak to the alleged $0.30 increase over the weekend, but diesel is taxed higher than gasoline and I believe that the refiners are having to deal with new low-sulfur regulations now as well.

Donger 11-13-2014 11:05 AM

U.S. crude production climbed above 9 million barrels a day last week for the first time in at least 31 years because of the shale boom.

Output rose 1 percent to 9.06 million barrels a day, the most since at least January 1983, when the weekly data series from the Energy Information Administration begins. The EIA has monthly data going back to 1920 and that shows production is at the highest level since February 1986.

The combination of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, has unlocked supplies from shale formations in the central U.S., including the Bakken in North Dakota and the Eagle Ford in Texas.

U.S. crude production will rise to an average of 8.57 million barrels a day this year, up from 7.46 million last year, the EIA said in its monthly Short-Term Energy Outlook yesterday. Output is projected to climb 9.9 percent to 9.42 million barrels a day in 2015, the most since 1972.

West Texas Intermediate crude for December delivery dropped $1.62, or 2.1 percent, to $75.56 a barrel at 11:22 a.m. on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Futures touched $75.26 today, the lowest level since Oct. 4, 2011.

KC native 11-13-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11107654)
Crude dropping again today. Approaching the $75.00 mark. Gasoline at $2.91

$70 is probably the floor.

Donger 11-13-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11107776)
$70 is probably the floor.

Yeah, I can't really see if going much below that, barring a another recession.

scho63 11-13-2014 11:58 AM

Oil will drop into the $60's and gas will bounce around the $2.00 level or maybe as low as $1.75 a gallon.

Russia is trying to stir things up and create chaos because their economy is taking a financial beating!

The US and the Saudi's are pumping the shit out of all the wells and flooding the market, plus the strength of the US dollar is really helping drive down the price-a double win for American citizens!

Bugeater 11-13-2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11100629)

I saw gas in the 2.70's. We're gonna hit 2.50 a gallon over the winter. I love it.

It sure as hell hasn't dropped much around here lately, still holding out just under $3.

Msmith 11-13-2014 12:51 PM

Get used to the cheap gas price for a while, says USA.

KC native 11-13-2014 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 11107821)
Oil will drop into the $60's and gas will bounce around the $2.00 level or maybe as low as $1.75 a gallon.

Russia is trying to stir things up and create chaos because their economy is taking a financial beating!

The US and the Saudi's are pumping the shit out of all the wells and flooding the market, plus the strength of the US dollar is really helping drive down the price-a double win for American citizens!

Unlikely, OPEC is starting to put pressure on the Saudi's to cut production. If it goes below $70, it is likely that the Saudi's will cut some production.

scho63 11-17-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11107914)
Unlikely, OPEC is starting to put pressure on the Saudi's to cut production. If it goes below $70, it is likely that the Saudi's will cut some production.

Saudi's can make money all the way down to around $35 a barrel and they HATE Iran so not sure they will listen.

LoneWolf 11-17-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11084119)
Did you actually read those links?

Do you actually think there is no link between increased fracking and disposal of fracking waste and the huge increase in earthquake activity in the central plains?

Donger 11-17-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 11120785)
Do you actually think there is no link between increased fracking and disposal of fracking waste and the huge increase in earthquake activity in the central plains?

I think that there may be a link, but it isn't proven, as his link states:

http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/11/03/...akes.html?rh=1

Which is why I asked if he read the links he provided.

LoneWolf 11-17-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11120933)
I think that there may be a link, but it isn't proven, as his link states:

http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/11/03/...akes.html?rh=1

Which is why I asked if he read the links he provided.

The only scientist listed in the article who said that the link between fracking and more specifically disposal of fracking solution and earthquakes could not be proven was the dipshit hired by Gov. Brownback.

I'm all for cheaper oil, but not at the expense of billions of dollars in earthquake damage. If there is a major earthquake in Oklahoma or Kansas, most people will lose their homes without insurance to rebuild.

Donger 11-17-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 11120983)
The only scientist listed in the article who said that the link between fracking and more specifically disposal of fracking solution and earthquakes could not be proven was the dipshit hired by Gov. Brownback.

I'm all for cheaper oil, but not at the expense of billions of dollars in earthquake damage. If there is a major earthquake in Oklahoma or Kansas, most people will lose their homes without insurance to rebuild.

I think that the article is a great example of correlation versus causation.

I haven't seen anyone predicting that there will be a huge earthquake in Kansas or Oklahoma, caused by fracking or not.

What are you suggesting should be done?

LoneWolf 11-17-2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11121064)
I think that the article is a great example of correlation versus causation.

I haven't seen anyone predicting that there will be a huge earthquake in Kansas or Oklahoma, caused by fracking or not.

What are you suggesting should be done?

Find a different way to dispose of the fracking waste instead of pumping it deep into the ground.

Donger 11-28-2014 08:08 AM

Crude down ~6% at $68.23, after dropping to $67.00 today.

Bob Dole 11-28-2014 08:35 AM

Saw anywhere from $2.42 to $2.69 Wednesday while driving to MO from TX.

scho63 11-28-2014 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11107914)
Unlikely, OPEC is starting to put pressure on the Saudi's to cut production. If it goes below $70, it is likely that the Saudi's will cut some production.

Wanna reconsider your position? :hmmm:

scho63 11-28-2014 12:14 PM

Russia, Iran, Venezuela and a few other oil producing countries with deep debt and budgets planned on $125+ per barrel oil are going to start seriously "cheating" on their production quotas to try and make up the large deficits accumulating on their balance sheets.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy when oil begins it's decline. It is hard to stop until it becomes incredibly painful for everyone and we are nowhere near the bottom yet.

I said low $60's for oil but I wouldn't be shocked if it gets down to $55 a barrel.

Coach 11-28-2014 02:15 PM

Hooray for lower gas prices!

Buzz 11-28-2014 05:29 PM

Just paid $2.43 a gallon at Hy-Vee, filled my truck up, sitting on a little less than a 1/4 tank for $40 bucks, I'm digging it.

lewdog 11-28-2014 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 11150722)
Just paid $2.43 a gallon at Hy-Vee, filled my truck up, sitting on a little less than a 1/4 tank for $40 bucks, I'm digging it.

Next time get better pizza with the money you save, ya cheap bastard!

Buzz 11-28-2014 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11151135)
Next time get better pizza with the money you save, ya cheap bastard!

ROFL I love you guy's. Bunch of dick's.

GloryDayz 11-28-2014 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 11150722)
Just paid $2.43 a gallon at Hy-Vee, filled my truck up, sitting on a little less than a 1/4 tank for $40 bucks, I'm digging it.

Go the fuel saver card route and you'll be digging this....

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...ecc3236668.jpg

It made my undies sticky...

Bugeater 11-28-2014 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 11151170)
ROFL I love you guy's. Bunch of dick's.

LMAO God damn you.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/intirm.jpg

007 11-29-2014 02:39 AM

Paid $1.53 per gallon today. Thanks Kroger.

jimidollar 11-29-2014 12:42 PM

Down to $2.34 in south Texas.

GloryDayz 11-29-2014 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11151366)
Paid $1.53 per gallon today. Thanks Kroger.

My undies would be all the stickier!

TrebMaxx 11-29-2014 07:44 PM

Reports are out that OPEC will cut back production to quell the dropping prices of crude.

DaneMcCloud 11-29-2014 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx (Post 11152560)
Reports are out that OPEC will cut back production to quell the dropping prices of crude.

That was from a few days ago and instead of raising, they dropped them even further.

$2.87 in SoCal. I can't remember the last time it was this low.

BigMeatballDave 11-29-2014 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11152571)
That was from a few days ago and instead of raising, they dropped them even further.

$2.87 in SoCal. I can't remember the last time it was this low.

Early spring 2010

GloryDayz 11-29-2014 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx (Post 11152560)
Reports are out that OPEC will cut back production to quell the dropping prices of crude.

Somebody heard them say, "WHAT THE FRACK IS GOING ON HERE????"

Chief_For_Life58 11-29-2014 08:44 PM

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/28/7302827/oil-prices-opec

Saulbadguy 11-29-2014 08:55 PM

Gasoline is too inexpensive, at the moment. It's irritating me - too many poor people driving more often. Get back to $3.50, plz.

Dayze 11-30-2014 12:50 PM

So high gas prices when the demand is huge and refining can't keep up. But when demand goes down, they cut production?

Serious question.

Donger 11-30-2014 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11153643)
So high gas prices when the demand is huge and refining can't keep up. But when demand goes down, they cut production?

Serious question.

Are you referring to the Saudis/OPEC?

Donger 11-30-2014 01:41 PM

Just a guess, but I'd say that OPEC is not decreasing production because they actually want crude prices to drop further and kill off the competition.

Dayze 11-30-2014 01:47 PM

[QUOTE=Donger;11153795]Are you referring to the Saudis/OPEC?[

I "think" so.

Seems like if the price of oil goes down, they just change up the production so they can bump prices back up?

Donger 11-30-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11153826)

I "think" so.

Seems like if the price of oil goes down, they just change up the production so they can bump prices back up?

As a general rule, when crude production decreases, the price of crude goes up and with it, the price of gasoline.

DaneMcCloud 11-30-2014 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11153808)
Just a guess, but I'd say that OPEC is not decreasing production because they actually want crude prices to drop further and kill off the competition.

I've heard they want it to drop so low that shale will be deemed too expensive to compete.

scho63 11-30-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx (Post 11152560)
Reports are out that OPEC will cut back production to quell the dropping prices of crude.

You must still read newspapers to get your current news, send all your bills by checks and the snail mail, use AOL dial up, have a push button home phone on the wall and have TV antennas for your 13 channels. :eek:

Your "news" is completely wrong.

Bugeater 11-30-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11154319)
I've heard they want it to drop so low that shale will be deemed too expensive to compete.

They'd have to keep it low in that case. Not sure if I see that happening.

scho63 11-30-2014 04:24 PM

Great pricing tables

http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

BigRedChief 11-30-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11151366)
Paid $1.53 per gallon today. Thanks Kroger.

Thats 1977 prices:thumb:

DaneMcCloud 11-30-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11154345)
They'd have to keep it low in that case. Not sure if I see that happening.

They pretty much have no choice. The US will be the world's largest exporter of oil by 2020, surpassing Venezuela. Russia's got the natural gas. If OPEC is to compete, they'll need to keep their prices low.

They realize the end is near and it's better to sell low than not sell at all.

DaneMcCloud 11-30-2014 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11151366)
Paid $1.53 per gallon today. Thanks Kroger.

$1.53? Wow, that's insane! I was happy to pay $2.83 the other day.

This is amazing for our economy. Soon, airline travel will return to more reasonable levels, the cost of food will decrease and there will be billions of dollars that will be spent on goods instead of energy, boosting our economy.

Just imagine a time when fusion is in play.

scho63 11-30-2014 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11154366)
$1.53? Wow, that's insane! I was happy to pay $2.83 the other day.

This is amazing for our economy. Soon, airline travel will return to more reasonable levels, the cost of food will decrease and there will be billions of dollars that will be spent on goods instead of energy, boosting our economy.

Just imagine a time when fusion is in play.

This is a major reason why Obama's economy has been so bad-$1.2 trillion more spent on oil and gasoline since he took office. That increased money has has crippled the middle class.

TrebMaxx 11-30-2014 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 11154344)
You must still read newspapers to get your current news, send all your bills by checks and the snail mail, use AOL dial up, have a push button home phone on the wall and have TV antennas for your 13 channels. :eek:

Your "news" is completely wrong.

Ah, no to all of the above. But go ahead and be a dick about something I read online that stated OPEC was meeting about cutting production.

WilliamTheIrish 11-30-2014 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 11152555)
My undies would be all the stickier!

How much did you have to spend in store to get .90 off per gallon?

scho63 11-30-2014 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx (Post 11154373)
Ah, no to all of the above. But go ahead and be a dick about something I read online that stated OPEC was meeting about cutting production.

Not being a dick, you were just 24-48 hours behind the results of the non-cut at the OPEC meeting that made prices plunge $5-6 a barrel in one day.

Donger 11-30-2014 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11154319)
I've heard they want it to drop so low that shale will be deemed too expensive to compete.

That's already happening. Sub-$70 crude will stop a lot of shale E&P.

GloryDayz 11-30-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 11154379)
How much did you have to spend in store to get .90 off per gallon?

Not sure really. It's all "normal" shopping, we just pick items with 3-5 cent off per gallon. We rarely "shop ahead" (buy something you don't need to get the fuel saver points), but if it's a staple, it's something we're going to buy soon anyway, then sure.

It's really been amazing actually.

Donger 11-30-2014 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11154345)
They'd have to keep it low in that case. Not sure if I see that happening.

Unfortunately, I think the Saudis can still make good profit at $40 to $50, IIRC. Shale can't.

TrebMaxx 11-30-2014 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 11154394)
Not being a dick, you were just 24-48 hours behind the results of the non-cut at the OPEC meeting that made prices plunge $5-6 a barrel in one day.

Holidays, slow news cycles hell I don't know. :shrug: I will stand corrected! Now where's my newspaper? :D

DaneMcCloud 11-30-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11154398)
That's already happening. Sub-$70 crude will stop a lot of shale E&P.

Will this affect your business?

kstater 11-30-2014 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11154407)
Unfortunately, I think the Saudis can still make good profit at $40 to $50, IIRC. Shale can't.

I think the breakeven for the Saudi's is like 33. I don't think many places can come close to that, even a lot of other OPEC countries.

Donger 11-30-2014 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11154419)
Will this affect your business?

No. I don't work in the industry.

DaneMcCloud 11-30-2014 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11154481)
No. I don't work in the industry.

Oh, that's good then.

Bugeater 11-30-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11154366)
$1.53? Wow, that's insane! I was happy to pay $2.83 the other day.

This is amazing for our economy. Soon, airline travel will return to more reasonable levels, the cost of food will decrease and there will be billions of dollars that will be spent on goods instead of energy, boosting our economy.

Just imagine a time when fusion is in play.

That's with Kroger fuel points, he must have got $1 off/gal. I filled both our vehicles and a 5 gallon gas can for the same price today.

Bugeater 11-30-2014 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11154407)
Unfortunately, I think the Saudis can still make good profit at $40 to $50, IIRC. Shale can't.

So the only real loser is the shale industry?

eDave 11-30-2014 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11154542)
So the only real loser is the shale industry?

At these prices, why **** with shale? Sit on it.

Hell, increase reserves.

DaneMcCloud 11-30-2014 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11154536)
That's with Kroger fuel points, he must have got $1 off/gal. I filled both our vehicles and a 5 gallon gas can for the same price today.

$2.83 or $1.57?

Kroger points sound awesome!

Donger 11-30-2014 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11154533)
Oh, that's good then.

Nice to see someone believe me on this, for once. Thanks.

Bugeater 11-30-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11154611)
$2.83 or $1.57?

Kroger points sound awesome!

It's not a bad deal, but we have to spend $1,000/mo to get that much of a discount.

Donger 11-30-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11154542)
So the only real loser is the shale industry?

Pretty much.

Donger 11-30-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11154548)
At these prices, why **** with shale? Sit on it.

Hell, increase reserves.

Well, it's exposed the weakness of our position. Our domestic output has been extraordinary, but it isn't economically-viable when crude is low. That's what I've been mentioning over the last year or so in this thread.

Crude plummeting isn't really a good thing all around.

Donger 11-30-2014 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11154364)
They pretty much have no choice. The US will be the world's largest exporter of oil by 2020, surpassing Venezuela. Russia's got the natural gas. If OPEC is to compete, they'll need to keep their prices low.

They realize the end is near and it's better to sell low than not sell at all.

We don't export crude. It isn't permitted, by law, with a dew execeptions. Some have been suggesting that change, however.

GloryDayz 11-30-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11154666)
It's not a bad deal, but we have to spend $1,000/mo to get that much of a discount.

Ouch, we just buy items that have a certain amount off (1-5 cents), and that 5 cents off is good for 30 days.

It's a win-win because I'm sure Hy-Vee uses it to rid the shelves of sow moving items, but if you're getting it anyway, who cares.


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