Well ****, he had one of the most talented teams and no injuries all year. How are you not expected to win? CoY to me means someone who did something unexpected or met challenges otherwise not foreseen, like injuries.

I mean that's like giving Joe Torre CoY because the Yankees won the World Series with the highest payroll in baseball.

Link?Recruiting is part of coaching.

Self and Hoiberg (sp?) were both deserving. Sure it's a joke that Haith wasn't in there... but what did you expect? Those awards don't really mean shit... and Mizzou made a big statement on the way out the door.

I don't think Frank Haith is losing sleep over not getting that award right now.

Seriously? What Haith did at Mizzou this year was clearly superior to what Self did given the circumstances. But whatever, I am pretty sure that Haith not winning it had nothing to do with Mizzou leaving and hurt feelings.

Gee, like saying "come play for KU" is real hard. The KU reputation does more for recruiting, imo than anything.

Finishing second is clearly superior to winning the league by 2 games?

So, just give COY to every conference regular season champion then? :spock: No point in even voting.

In short, yeah, Haith got screwed for COTY, but who gives a shit?

I doubt he does.

Yeah, when you finished second with 7 scholarship players and one of your best inside guys hurt for the season and with a new coach. And beat the conference winners and damn near beat them twice.

K State fans :D

Did Tom Coughlin win COY last year when the NYG won the SB? They were best after it was all said and done? Just because you win the league does not mean you were the best coach.

I agree, I doubt Haith gives a **** but to put the season in context, KU won the conference by 1 overtime point. Hardly a dominant performance but winner nonetheless.

We'll just ignore that KU lost like 70 percent of their scoring from last year and still came back and won the league again.

And were picked out of the gate to win the conference. Self did what was expected and barely. That to me does not make coach of the year. Coach of the Year, again imo, **** your link bullshit, should go to a coach that exceeded expectations in a large way.

That's life as a major college basketball team. Highly recruited guys stepped up thier game as they matured and playing time opened up. Shocking.

Ok then, by your logic, the runaway winner of COY should be Hoiburg. They were picked to finish 8th and finished T3(net of 5 spots). Missouri was picked to finish 4th and finished 2nd(net of 2 spots). Looks like ISU exceeded more expectations.

I could buy that easier than I can Self.

Or did more with less as I stated to him earlier. No one thought Mizzou would

1. Win the Big XII tournament

2. Be ranked in the top 5

3. Be competing for a #1 seed

4. Beat KU once and come within 1 point of sweeping them

This was all BEFORE Bowers went down.After many questioned whether Mizzou would even make the tournament.

But Haith was not COY material.

Why does anybody care about the COY award anyway? It's even more forgettable than the POY award.

Arguments can be made for all three coaches, there is no one right answer. Heck, I could probably make an argument for Frank Martin too after losing Pullen and getting his team to the tournament with that group.

Well yeah, by default the winner of the league generally does the best coaching job. Kind of a prerequisite.

Was Self's NCOY award part of the grand conspiracy?

Why shouldn't he have won COY? Coughlin would have been as good a choice as anybody else.

Harbaugh outcoached Coughlin. Had it not been for mental mistakes by one guy it would have been SF and not the NYG in the SB.

I find this humorous...

I'd rather have the B12 Tournament Championship than the COTY.

Me too. Absolutely.

Now, on the the most important challenge of the season.

Yup. I think petedson and tredaddadson are just bored.

Of course they are. Not like their team was up to anything tonight.

Are you responding to the content of the post...or the username?

Just got back from the game. Great atmosphere. The place was packed, and I bought fix from people in KU gear. There were several people at the game wearing KU gear at the game cheering against Mizzou. Lame. I thanked them all for coming to Missouri.

Right. That's how league champions are determined in most sports.

Context. I fail.

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I meant what you knew.

I want a Mizzou Domin IIX shirt.

So do you put more stock into this 4 day tournament championship, or the trophy for the regular season?

You lost me.

Wish I could have seen all of that. Game ended here and I couldn't get it to come up on ESPN 3.

Sorry.

You are only the second person (besides myself) I have ever known to say that.

Mizzou was the best team during the noncon, the second best in conference, and the best on the postseason.

I got it from my father-in-law.

I paused for a second the first time I heard it too... :)

For anyone wanting to see another good game the Big East game between Louisville and Cincy is finishing pretty good.

Good game? The one where Cincy trailed 24-14 at halftime?

Are you watching it now? If you were you wouldn't be asking me that question

Has a 30-4 team NOT ever gotten a #1 seed?

All the time. It usually happens with teams from lesser conferences with poor schedules, though.

I should have clarified "from a major conference"

There's been plenty of teams that played soft schedules that didn't. Utah State last year was an 11 seed with the exact record.

I don't think a 30 win team from a major conference has ever been anything other than a 1 seed.

Don't know, but if MU doesn't get one (and they almost assuredly won't), they only have their weak non-conf. schedule to blame.

How many teams went 30-4 without winning their conference?

Serious question...I don't have the answer.

These two BE teams are so much worse than Baylor/Missouri.

To be fair, losing the conference by 2 games probably played a part.

I heard it from my old squad leader and I adopted it as my own. I also had to think about it when I first heard it. I still get funny looks whenever I say it.

Has any team ever dominated the tournament as much as Mizzou dominated this one? We didn't just win the thing. We won 3 blowouts and didn't trail after the first TV timeout.

Biggest deficit in the first game? 3-0 Oklahoma State
Biggest deficit in the second game? 4-0 Texas
Biggest deficit in the third game? N/A

Missouri controls Baylor to win Big 12 tournament

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- It seemed as if everybody was rooting against Missouri, the school that nearly brought the Big 12 to ruin, and you can be sure coach Frank Haith and the rest of the Tigers heard them.

They made sure to leave a lasting impression on their way to the SEC.

Kim English capped a phenomenal conference tournament with 19 points, Phil Pressey added 15 points and eight assists and the fifth-ranked Tigers beat Baylor (No. 11 ESPN/USA Today, No. 12 AP) 90-75 on Saturday night to win their second championship in the past four years.

"Obviously, it's special. To win championships is just special," Haith said. "We didn't win the regular-season championship, but we won a conference tournament championship."

English wound up 29 of 40 from the field in a virtuoso performance in Kansas City and was named the tournament's most valuable player. Michael Dixon added 17 points for the Tigers (30-4), while Ricardo Ratliffe and Marcus Denmon finished with 15 each.

"Kim's play was unbelievable all weekend," Denmon said. "He really carried us."

Missouri's decision to leave for the Southeastern Conference after this season drew outrage from fans of opposing teams, and all the fans from nine other schools that flocked to the Sprint Center seemed to be rooting hard against the school from just down Interstate 70.

Thousands of fans clad in black and gold in turn booed interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas when he gave away the trophy, and chants of "SEC! SEC!" arose in the closing minutes.

"There were roughly 18,000 people here -- it was packed. I would suggest 17,000 of those people were in black and gold," Missouri athletic director Mike Alden said. "So to suggest that Kansas City, Mo., is a Mizzou town, I can assure you, it absolutely was proof positive today."

Perry Jones III led Baylor (27-7) with 16 points and 11 rebounds. Brady Heslip scored 14 and Deuce Bello came off the bench to add 13 for the Bears, who were again turned away one win short of their first conference tournament title since 1950.

The Bears also lost to Missouri in the 2009 Big 12 title game.

"The biggest thing we haven't talked about is their experience, five seniors," Baylor coach Scott Drew said. "They've been through situations like this."

The two teams waged two memorable games during the regular season, Missouri coming out on top both times. The first was an 89-88 victory in Waco in January, when the Tigers made 10 free throws in the closing minute to hold off a furious rally. The second was a 15-point victory in Columbia, a game that was nip-and-tuck until the Tigers went on a second-half charge.

This one wound up being a bit more like the second meeting.

The teams traded blows throughout the first half -- Denmon or English would knock down a 3-pointer, Jones or Quincy Miller would find a way to work inside for a matching bucket. The lead never reached double figures even though Missouri threatened it a couple times.

It wasn't until the final minutes before the half, when Denmon knocked down a jumper and Pressey made two foul shots, that Missouri had some breathing room.

That was part of a 16-5 thrust that spanned the break and gave the Tigers a 57-42 lead, their biggest of the game, and forced Baylor coach Scott Drew to use all but one of his timeouts.

Quincy Acy, playing in his school-record 135th game, finally got on the board with a pair of free throws as Baylor began cutting into the lead.

Two more foul shots by A.J. Walton nipped it back to single digits, and later in the half, an alley-oop jam by Jones off a half-court feed from Pierre Jackson got Baylor within 64-56.

"We just had to get stops," Acy said. "That's pretty much the whole game. We had to get stops and we had to convert easies. That's it."

Instead, Missouri seemed to keep finding answers.

Dixon hit a jumper after Perry's rim-rattling dunk, and English knocked down a 3-pointer moments later to restore a double-digit cushion, the swagger-filled junior guard sticking out his tongue and giving a "so-what?" shoulder shrug as he headed back to play defense.

The Tigers continued to pour it on. Pressey hit a 3-pointer from about 6 feet beyond the arc, and English followed with another from the exact same spot. This time, he exhorted a partisan crowd packed inside the Sprint Center to rise to its feet with a chant of "M-I-Z, Z-O-U!"

Baylor went on one more spirited run, closing within 77-72 after a 10-2 spurt, but the salty Tigers took care of things from the foul line. They made 10 straight at one point in the closing minutes, putting a tidy bow on one final Big 12 championship.

"The Big 12 has been a phenomenal league and it will continue to be a phenomenal league," Alden said. "You want to have opportunities, but we never would have had a chance like this if it wasn't for the Big 12. So for us, going forward, it's something that we are just appreciative of the opportunity to be associated with a great league."

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The game tonight was sad compared to how they both played in the tourney. They both played well enough to get there, but the Championship game was anti-climactic.

The tournament is more meaningful to me, but both are nice accomplishments.

Baylor was 27-3 this season against teams other than Mizzou. They are 0-3 against us.

How was K-State?

Why would that matter to you?

WVU, all the way back in '09-10... 31 wins, lost the conference by 2 games to Syracuse (30 wins), won their conference tournament, and got a 2 seed.

They matter to me more than Baylor does. I actually have 3 hours at K-State.

Interesting.

1 better than KU in that stat department.

And Duke in '08-09... 30 wins, lost the conference by 2 games to UNC (34 wins), won their conference tournament, got a 2 seed.

Also untrue.

They ended the season at 27-6. They had 31 total wins including the tourney.

LMAO

Damn, English. LMAO.

Also untrue. They went into the tournament at 28-6. Care to be wrong again?

I LOVE that guy.

Missouri had 30 wins going into the tournament?

Into the NCAA tournament? Yes

Ha, gotcha... thought you were talking conference tournament, and didn't realize the standings I was looking at included the NCAA tourney. Oops.

If nothing else, the 34 should have tipped me off... LMAO :facepalm:

ROFL

That's awesome.

Congrats, guys. Good luck in the dance.

Credit for owning it.

That's the best thing about Kimmie. He talks a lot, and he speaks his mind. Doesn't give a damn about what anybody thinks. That's why he's such a great interview.

He's "all in" all the time.