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jd1020 12-21-2018 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13975453)
They'd better get Harper then. All the rumors I've seen is that they don't want to give him some mega deal. Wonder if they'll keep Verdugo now that the outfield isn't as packed as it was.
I've read that they dont want to give him the year but they will max out the AAV.

I would have to imagine if you are dumping outfielders for ****ing Homer Bailey and no legitimate prospects then is has to be for Harper. Took on money and the best prospect coming back doesnt have a single plus grade on any tool. Thats a yikes if Harper signs somewhere else.

EDIT: Actually the money is just about equal assuming Puig is going to get $9M he projects to get in arb.

DJ's left nut 12-21-2018 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13975463)
I've read that they dont want to give him the year but they will max out the AAV.

I would have to imagine if you are dumping outfielders for ****ing Homer Bailey and no legitimate prospects then is has to be for Harper. Took on money and the best prospect coming back doesnt have a single plus grade on any tool. Thats a yikes if Harper signs somewhere else.
What I don't get is that it suggests that Wood and Puig combined have NEGATIVE trade value. I mean they took on Bailey at $28 million and shipped out Kemp while taking on some of his deal at $18 million. They effectively ate $10 million and moved Kemp to rid themselves of Wood and Puig.

But Wood and Puig were arb eligible, no? I mean...non-tender them if you want them gone that bad. I have to be missing something here? What's the upshot that I'm not seeing in trading Kemp for Bailey and getting some organizational chaff thrown in to boot?

It's just very odd to me that they couldn't have found a taker for Wood and Puig that didn't also require them to do that Kemp/Bailey swap. They didn't HAVE to keep Puig and Wood. Did they mis-read the market on those 2 guys that badly?

DJ's left nut 12-21-2018 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13975463)
I've read that they dont want to give him the year but they will max out the AAV.

I would have to imagine if you are dumping outfielders for ****ing Homer Bailey and no legitimate prospects then is has to be for Harper. Took on money and the best prospect coming back doesnt have a single plus grade on any tool. Thats a yikes if Harper signs somewhere else.

EDIT: Actually the money is just about equal assuming Puig is going to get $9M he projects to get in arb.
To your edit - I read that the way the cap works has that being a net savings to the Dodgers of around $25 million total. I don't know how Craig Edwards got there, but that's what he's saying.

But again - that brings me around to my original point - why not just non-tender the both of them if all you can do with them is include them in a deal allowing you to offload Kemp for Bailey?

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-21-2018 04:48 PM
I don't understand this trade from the Dodgers perspective at all. I get the need to clear some payroll for tax reasons, but they could have easily spun those guys off for prospects without needing to take back the worst starter in baseball owed $50 million.

jd1020 12-21-2018 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13975477)
To your edit - I read that the way the cap works has that being a net savings to the Dodgers of around $25 million total. I don't know how Craig Edwards got there, but that's what he's saying.

But again - that brings me around to my original point - why not just non-tender the both of them if all you can do with them is include them in a deal allowing you to offload Kemp for Bailey?
I forgot to add Wood in the deal.

~$20M for Puig + Wood and $20M, assuming we are talking AAV tax hit, for Kemp.

$17.5M for Bailey.

So ~$22.5M cap savings for the Dodgers. Not sure where he is picking up the extra $2.5. Guess his projections on the arbs for Puig and Wood is higher than MLBTR.

OnTheWarpath15 12-21-2018 05:42 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andrew Friedman confirmed the Dodgers will release Homer Bailey.</p>&mdash; Jorge Castillo (@jorgecastillo) <a href="https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo/status/1076259922654957568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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jd1020 12-21-2018 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 13975550)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andrew Friedman confirmed the Dodgers will release Homer Bailey.</p>&mdash; Jorge Castillo (@jorgecastillo) <a href="https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo/status/1076259922654957568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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ROFL

BigRedChief 12-21-2018 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13975415)
Knew I was missing one.




Man. You’re way more sold on his injury being a permanent degradation than I am. I think two years of heavy postseason use got to him and he’s ready for a bounce back.
DJ is just in a pissed off mood about the front office.

Seems to me a two year deal for $25 million is a “fair or good” deal in today’s market for Miller + incentives. If he earns them, great for him and us. He gets a vested 3rd year? Good for him and us because he’s been doing good enough to get the appearances over the last two years.

The Franchise 12-21-2018 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 13975550)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andrew Friedman confirmed the Dodgers will release Homer Bailey.</p>&mdash; Jorge Castillo (@jorgecastillo) <a href="https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo/status/1076259922654957568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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That was obviously going to happen

jd1020 12-21-2018 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13975620)
DJ is just in a pissed off mood about the front office.

Seems to me a two year deal for $25 million is a “fair or good” deal in today’s market for Miller + incentives. If he earns them, great for him and us. He gets a vested 3rd year? Good for him and us because he’s been doing good enough to get the appearances over the last two years.
For the 3rd year to kick in he only needs to average 55 appearances a year. Basically he just needs to stay healthy. Doesn't necessarily mean hes doing good.

DJ's left nut 12-21-2018 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13975620)
DJ is just in a pissed off mood about the front office.

Seems to me a two year deal for $25 million is a “fair or good” deal in today’s market for Miller + incentives. If he earns them, great for him and us. He gets a vested 3rd year? Good for him and us because he’s been doing good enough to get the appearances over the last two years.
Same shit we heard about holland. You were as loudly incorrect as anyone there.

Bet you whatever you'd like he won't hit the 2.5 wins/season he needs for this deal to even make it to fair. And no, i'm not adopting that stupid goddamn $8 million win share nonsense. A win is worth $5 million (I can argue 4) and contracts like Fowler, Heyward and Davis driving that average up to $8 million doesn't change that.

Look at his k rate and his swinging strike rate. Look at the velocity drop. You know why he took 2 years and an option? Because NOBODY was offering 3. Again - what does that tell you?

MLB sees the smoke coming from the radiator on this guy. Hes cooked, man. Tito ran him as hard as Matheny ran Seigrist and at 34 yrs old hes just gassed.

DJ's left nut 12-21-2018 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13975638)
For the 3rd year to kick in he only needs to average 55 appearances a year. Basically he just needs to stay healthy. Doesn't necessarily mean hes doing good.
I'll say the same thing I said when we signed Gregerson and included a third year option - I don't care, we'll DFA him before the second year is up.

Miller won't see 110 appearances in STL due to a combination of injuries and ineffectiveness. Though he'll still be able to punch Heyward's worthless ass out...

BigRedChief 12-21-2018 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13975765)
Same shit we heard about holland. You were as loudly incorrect as anyone there.
I don’t remember saying Holland was going to kick ass and take names.

As far as Miller money goes what was the going rate - what Mo paid? How much did he overpay?

duncan_idaho 12-22-2018 06:35 AM
Every free agent signing of any significance is going to be an overpay if you value a win at $4-5 million.

Harper is going to get at least $30 million a year. He’d have to average 6 - 7.5 wins a year to be value neutral at that rate, which is probably lower Than it would be.

BigRedChief 12-22-2018 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13976029)
Every free agent signing of any significance is going to be an overpay if you value a win at $4-5 million.

Harper is going to get at least $30 million a year. He’d have to average 6 - 7.5 wins a year to be value neutral at that rate, which is probably lower Than it would be.
I really like DJ, he brings a lot of baseball knowledge to this thread and myself but, like I said, he is in a mood.

BigRedChief 12-28-2018 11:03 AM
Pham winning over the fans........says the Rays have no fan base. How are they supposed to compete?

It sucks going from playing in front of a great fan base to a team with really no fan base at all," he said. "St. Louis, they're one of the few teams to where day in and day out they have 40,000 fans at every game.

"That's something that I miss, because even here in the Dominican they have a strong fan base for the team I'm playing for. Their fans are very supportive, they're loud. And the Rays? They just don't have that."

https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/l...as-no-fan-base

Marco Polo 12-28-2018 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13990828)
Pham winning over the fans........says the Rays have no fan base. How are they supposed to compete?

It sucks going from playing in front of a great fan base to a team with really no fan base at all," he said. "St. Louis, they're one of the few teams to where day in and day out they have 40,000 fans at every game.

"That's something that I miss, because even here in the Dominican they have a strong fan base for the team I'm playing for. Their fans are very supportive, they're loud. And the Rays? They just don't have that."

https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/l...as-no-fan-base
I read reports after he was traded that he was a diva within the clubhouse and didn't get along with management. What I don't know is whether this was a Matheny thing and/or a Mo thing.

BigRedChief 12-28-2018 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 13990861)
I read reports after he was traded that he was a diva within the clubhouse and didn't get along with management. What I don't know is whether this was a Matheny thing and/or a Mo thing.
He definitely is not a fan favorite down here. This article is only going to make it worse. My Rays friends asked about him when they traded for him. Same thing you heard, they are hearing now, he's a diva in the clubhouse and with fans. Love his production so they havent turned on him yet.

They really have no fan base. I live 5 minutes from the stadium. They have $10 seats with $5 parking and I've went once, to see the Cardinals.

The area around the stadium is blowing up. Big 20-30 story condo/retail complexes going up all around but..... it has absolutely nothing to do with the stadium or the Rays. Most people want the Rays gone or the stadium moved. Put a convention center or something in its place to ramp up the area even more.

They just has a billion $ downtown Tampa deal fall through. No one wants to put up $500 million for a stadium for a team that its voters are meh about. The Rays are eventually leaving. Nothing can turn it around for them.

Marco Polo 12-28-2018 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13990924)
He definitely is not a fan favorite down here. This article is only going to make it worse. My Rays friends asked about him when they traded for him. Same thing you heard, they are hearing now, he's a diva in the clubhouse and with fans. Love his production so they havent turned on him yet.

They really have no fan base. I live 5 minutes from the stadium. They have $10 seats with $5 parking and I've went once, to see the Cardinals.

The area around the stadium is blowing up. Big 20-30 story condo/retail complexes going up all around but..... it has absolutely nothing to do with the stadium or the Rays. Most people want the Rays gone or the stadium moved. Put a convention center or something in its place to ramp up the area even more.

They just has a billion $ downtown Tampa deal fall through. No one wants to put up $500 million for a stadium for a team that its voters are meh about. The Rays are eventually leaving. Nothing can turn it around for them.
I would have no problems if they moved to Montreal and they somehow get the Expos name back. I am kind of surprised no one cares about baseball in the entire state of Florida considering the age and demographic diversity there.

Frazod 12-28-2018 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 13990963)
I would have no problems if they moved to Montreal and they somehow get the Expos name back. I am kind of surprised no one cares about baseball in the entire state of Florida considering the age and demographic diversity there.
When it comes to age, if you're talking about retirees or other people who relocated because of weather or other reasons, they're not going to stop rooting for the teams they always rooted for. And of course many Floridians are still Brave fans, going back to a time when Florida had no teams.

I've now lived in the Chicago area much longer than I did in Missouri. Sure as **** hasn't turned me into a Cub fan.

BigRedChief 12-28-2018 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13991037)
When it comes to age, if you're talking about retirees or other people who relocated because of weather or other reasons, they're not going to stop rooting for the teams they always rooted for. And of course many Floridians are still Brave fans, going back to a time when Florida had no teams.

I've now lived in the Chicago area much longer than I did in Missouri. Sure as **** hasn't turned me into a Cub fan.
in my town where the stadium is actually located (St.Pete), the towns population is around 250K. We have had 60K millinials move into the city in the last 3 years. They just are not interested in Rays baseball. The old people are dying out.


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