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DMAC 03-10-2012 10:38 PM

Happy

Al Czervik 03-10-2012 10:39 PM

Congrats to MU on winning the tourney....
They kicked ass and deserved the championship...

Good luck in the Big Dance....the right draw and they can
go very far!!!!

ROYC75 03-10-2012 10:49 PM

Nothing away from MU's season, it was spectacular. A very tough team with 5 seniors, great shooters, will likely go far in the dance for once.

Conference tournaments are great and fun. I recall a time when they did not have them and the only automatic qualifier ( I'm not saying MU was at this point clearly a top 8 team this year ) was to win your conference, not a tournament generated for revenue more that at large bids or making statements.

Ultra Peanut 03-10-2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439055)

Heelin' it up like whoa.

tredadda 03-10-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8439036)
The tournament is more meaningful to me, but both are nice accomplishments.

I prefer regular season personally. Tournament success, especially conference tournament success, is a product of getting hot at the right time. Regular season success is a product of consistently being the best. Still it feels good to see Mizzou leave the Big XII with the tournament trophy.

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 8439120)
Heelin' it up like whoa.

If you're a Mizzou fan, you ****in' love it.

Saul Good 03-10-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439133)
If you're a Mizzou fan, you ****in' love it.

I am, and I do.

tredadda 03-10-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439089)
That's the best thing about Kimmie. He talks a lot, and he speaks his mind. Doesn't give a damn about what anybody thinks. That's why he's such a great interview.

He's "all in" all the time.

I hope he has a job on the Mizzou staff after he is done in the NBA regardless of how long he plays there.

kcpasco 03-10-2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439055)

ROFL
English trolling hardcore
I love it

beer bacon 03-10-2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8438591)
Although I like Mizzou, I feel the SEC chants were classless. If Tiger fans want to chant SEC wait till next year when they are playing in the SEC tournament. Their uniform still says Big XII and it was their tournament, not the SEC's Mizzou won.

Nah, it was fun to chant it tonight. **** the Big 12.

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 11:00 PM

English is the man. A lot of people hated on him last season.

Saul Good 03-10-2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8439139)
I hope he has a job on the Mizzou staff after he is done in the NBA regardless of how long he plays there.

I don't think he'll be in the NBA. He might get on a D-league roster or something, but I don't think he's going to have a career to speak of at that level.

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8439151)
I don't think he'll be in the NBA. He might get on a D-league roster or something, but I don't think he's going to have a career to speak of at that level.

He's got a hell of a future as an analyst, IMO.

tredadda 03-10-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8439151)
I don't think he'll be in the NBA. He might get on a D-league roster or something, but I don't think he's going to have a career to speak of at that level.

I don't think so either, but stranger things have happened so I will wait and see.

DeezNutz 03-10-2012 11:03 PM

Dude could go make some good money overseas, though.

Saul Good 03-10-2012 11:03 PM

I watched a little bit of the replay on ESPN3 and just had a "holy shit" moment. Bobby Knight did his "Knight Vision" breakdown of Mizzou running a break, and we looked just like KU back when Roy was coaching them and they had Miles at the 1 and Hinrich at the 2.

stonedstooge 03-10-2012 11:04 PM

Missouri's Big 12 Championship leads off Sportscenter at the top of the hour

mnchiefsguy 03-10-2012 11:06 PM

Awesome game. Mizzou may not get the #1, but I think they will be rewarding for not only winning the conference tournament, but dominating in the manner that they did.

I think Mizzou is the #2 in the Midwest. KU will be either a #1 or a #2, but I think they are going west no matter what.

The committee factors in not just wins, but how the teams finished and how they are playing. Mizzou is playing the best ball at this moment in time....and they had the best conference tournament run of any time in the top six conferences. They will get rewarded. Going into the tourney, espn had them #2 in the west, so I would expect at minimum their region to improve.

Ultra Peanut 03-10-2012 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439133)
If you're a Mizzou fan, you ****in' love it.

He's a Jerry Lawler style heel, obv.

mnchiefsguy 03-10-2012 11:09 PM

Interesting question...has a #1 seed ever had more than 5 losses?

Saul Good 03-10-2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 8439185)
He's a Jerry Lawler style heel, obv.

And the Big IIX is Andy Kaufman.

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Dartgod 03-10-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 8439119)
Nothing away from MU's season, it was spectacular. A very tough team with 5 seniors, great shooters, will likely go far in the dance for once.

Conference tournaments are great and fun. I recall a time when they did not have them and the only automatic qualifier ( I'm not saying MU was at this point clearly a top 8 team this year ) was to win your conference, not a tournament generated for revenue more that at large bids or making statements.

You misspelled 5.

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8439194)
You misspelled 5.

LMAO

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 11:18 PM

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2...oH.SlMa.81.jpg

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 11:19 PM

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2...BV.SlMa.81.jpg

tredadda 03-10-2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439212)

Nice one, especially after all the crap he recieved when he was hired. Sweet redemption.

Bowser 03-10-2012 11:25 PM

1 seed, 2 seed, nit picky back and forths with KU and K-State fans about nitpicky crap....... none of it matters. All I know is that Missouri is white hot going into the tournament. Let's do this shit.

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 11:25 PM

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Tigers surpass drama with beautiful basketball

By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star

The first thing you might think about this Missouri basketball team right now is that nobody else in the league wanted this. Mizzou is gone, and the bitter feelings have spilled all over the place. You can bet that people who make money from the Big 12 are cussing Mizzou for taking home the last Big 12 basketball trophy it’ll ever play for.

The commissioner calls MU selfish. Bill Self says Kansas City is more a Kansas and K-State town. Mizzou players joke — they are joking, right? — about having to score a thousand points to win league player-of-the-week honors.

The feeling is mutual, of course. MU fans boo Chuck Neinas’ name. They hold up signs about the SEC and chant those three letters at every opportunity. Many conversations eventually lead to, “We’re just looking forward to going to a league where everyone’s treated equally.”

All of that makes No. 5 Missouri’s 90-75 victory over No. 12 Baylor in the Big 12 tournament championship even more fascinating.

This is that rare conference postseason that we’ll remember years from now, about the time KU came up lame in the semifinal that would’ve given us Border War III, and about the year Mizzou won the last Big 12 game it ever played.

This whole season has become about hatred and hurt feelings and exit fees, about college kids somehow carrying the baggage of the adults in charge, every sensitivity on every side amplified, and you know what?

We’re missing a heck of a show.

If we could strip away the drama and the realignment and what all of this does to our Kansas City sports scene, we’d be able to better enjoy one of the most beautiful college basketball teams in recent memory.

Missouri leads the country in offensive efficiency. That’s a detailed and nerdy way of saying the Tigers play the smoothest, cleanest, most unselfish brand of basketball among the 345 teams in Division I.

Phil Pressey is the artist here. Coach Frank Haith calls him “the conductor.” Pressey is 5 feet 10 and almost always the smallest man on the floor and just as often driving past the bigger men on his way into the lane.

Ricardo Ratliffe might have the best hands of any post player in the conference, which is a good thing because he gets at least a layup or two every game by catching highlight passes that at some point became routine.

In the last game, in front of a rocking crowd of 19,006 that was virtually all MU fans, Pressey scored 15 points on eight shots with eight assists and — this is the killer — only one turnover.

As a team, Mizzou shot 54 percent with 14 assists and eight turnovers — incredible numbers that are incredibly not far off the Tigers’ season averages.

To watch this MU team play is to watch college basketball the way a lot of us wish every team played. It is a blurry run of no-look passes, off-ball screens, clean jumpers and layups.

When a teammate falls down, a teammate helps him up. No substitution happens without a high-five. After the game, they get on the bus and have freestyle rap contests.

Ricardo Ratliffe calls this the most unselfish team he’s ever played on. Michael Dixon has long grown accustomed to the other team’s coaches thanking him for playing the right way. Bob Knight told Frank Haith this is the best-coached team in the country — and after the wretched way this same group finished last season, who could’ve seen any of this coming?

This is the team of Ratliffe’s spin moves, Steve Moore’s constant motion, Matt Pressey’s defense, Marcus Denmon’s hard drives to the rim and Kim English’s long jumpers.

Some more numbers: MU is ranks second nationally in assist-to-turnover ratio, is one of only three teams shooting above 50 percent and ranks among the top 10 in scoring, fewest turnovers, and turnover margin.

Rip away the baggage that comes with playing for the school (too) many blame for blowing up the Big 12, and the gorgeous on-court product would be easier for everyone to appreciate.

This team has flaws. They’re not great defensively, particularly around the rim. They have only seven scholarship players and a very specific way to win, so matchups, injuries and foul trouble means more here than other places.

But, my gosh it’s fun to watch.

Drama be darned.

Everything that happens around this team seems to be assigned some greater meaning. Even a relatively routine win over Texas in the tournament semifinal was read by some as MU sticking it to the school that drove it out of the league.

And everything the Tigers say seems to be assigned some political message, right or wrong, intended or not, so that when Dixon says, “this is Kansas City, Missouri,” or athletic director Mike Alden says, “to see 17,000 or 18,000 fans in black and gold in the Sprint Center is proof positive that this is a Mizzou town,” it’s automatically thought to be a shot back at Self.

Maybe it is.

Maybe it isn’t.

It’s just that the more effort we spend trying to figure out the bigger meanings of things happening around a group of players who had nothing to do with a decision that’s already been made, the more we miss enjoying one of the most beautiful college basketball teams in recent memory.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/10...beautiful.html

KCSupersized 03-10-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439055)

Hell ya, great win.

Trevo_410 03-10-2012 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8439217)
Nice one, especially after all the crap he recieved when he was hired. Sweet redemption.

I always love to go back to the frank haith Hired thread and see all the bullshit i was negrepped and gangtrolled for..........

FAITH IN HAITH DAY ONE MOTHER****ERS

:D

*told ya so*

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevo_410 (Post 8439230)
I always love to go back to the frank haith Hired thread and see all the bullshit i was negrepped and gangtrolled for..........

FAITH IN HAITH DAY ONE MOTHER****ERS

:D

*told ya so*

It's Kim English for me. People flat out hated the guy.

KcMizzou 03-10-2012 11:44 PM

Kim English ‏ @Englishscope24

On the bus headed back to the best college town in America! Columbia, Missouri!!! Oh yea, with our Big 12 Championship trophy. #Mizzou

Extra Point 03-10-2012 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8439193)
And the Big IIX is Andy Kaufman.

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4:40 on:
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SEC=Tony Clifton

DBoweShow 03-11-2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KCSupersized (Post 8439227)
Hell ya, great win.

I really don't know what to think about this picture. Big12 trophy and a SEC shirt. Classy.

CoMoChief 03-11-2012 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439234)
It's Kim English for me. People flat out hated the guy.

because as much as his career was garbage.....he sure ran his mouth on the internet a lot.

CoMoChief 03-11-2012 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8439247)
Kim English ‏ @Englishscope24

On the bus headed back to the best college town in America! Columbia, Missouri!!! Oh yea, with our Big 12 Championship trophy. #Mizzou

They'll need the janitor crew to come in and clean out all the cobwebs in that trophy case.

Mosbonian 03-11-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 8439418)
because as much as his career was garbage.....he sure ran his mouth on the internet a lot.

Ironic coming from you....

eazyb81 03-11-2012 09:16 AM

Nothing sweeter after all the conference butthurt BS than leaving our city as champions.

What this team has been able to accomplish with only 7 players is truly incredible. Epic win, epic team.

redfan 03-11-2012 09:20 AM

What a season (more to come)!!! Congrats, Missouri!!! That was a fun tourn.

Messier 03-11-2012 09:26 AM

Congratulations MU! In the right region, I think MU can get to the final four.

|Zach| 03-11-2012 09:29 AM

I am sick of this conference bullshit. My god. Just ready to watch Missouri play their game in the tournament and have success.

Codered 03-11-2012 09:30 AM

What a fun year watching this team. While, I think that they deserve a #1 seed I am starting to think the winner of the MSU/OSU will get it and both Missouri and Kansas will find themselves with #2 seeds.

I just hope MU gets St. Louis.

Messier 03-11-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Codered (Post 8439711)
What a fun year watching this team. While, I think that they deserve a #1 seed I am starting to think the winner of the MSU/OSU will get it and both Missouri and Kansas will find themselves with #2 seeds.

I just hope MU gets St. Louis.

I think I'd rather have the top 2 seed than the 4th 1 seed.

Braincase 03-11-2012 09:34 AM

Not trolling, but a serious question. When will Missouri play at the Sprint Center again? They won't be in the CBE next November. Is there a plan to play a non-con game in KC? Exhibition against UMKC?

Saul Good 03-11-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 8439725)
Not trolling, but a serious question. When will Missouri play at the Sprint Center again? They won't be in the CBE next November. Is there a plan to play a non-con game in KC? Exhibition against UMKC?

Don't think anything is set, but I can almost guarantee that there will be at least one game there by 2013 if not sooner.

Saul Good 03-11-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8439718)
I think I'd rather have the top 2 seed than the 4th 1 seed.

This sucks. Michigan State can lose 7 games and get a #1 seed, but Mizzou can only lose 3?

Saul Good 03-11-2012 09:57 AM

Totally off topic, but has anyone seen Pat Riley lately. Watching an interview with him on ESPN, and he looks exactly like the Dos Equis Most Interesting Man in the World. It's bizarre.

eazyb81 03-11-2012 10:00 AM

What potential 1 seed does Mizzou match up best against? I can't decide.

UK, Cuse, UNC, MSU, or OSU? We can't be in ku's bracket.

|Zach| 03-11-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8439794)
What potential 1 seed does Mizzou match up best against? I can't decide.

UK, Cuse, UNC, MSU, or OSU? We can't be in ku's bracket.

I thought that conference thing was only for the first few rounds.

DJay23 03-11-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8439794)
What potential 1 seed does Mizzou match up best against? I can't decide.

UK, Cuse, UNC, MSU, or OSU? We can't be in ku's bracket.

I think Syracuse. Cuse likes to trap out of their zone and Mizzou is too quick. I would think with your 3 point shooters you would have no trouble scoring against their zone.

A Carolina-Mizzou game would be very entertaining.

Saul Good 03-11-2012 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8439794)
What potential 1 seed does Mizzou match up best against? I can't decide.

UK, Cuse, UNC, MSU, or OSU? We can't be in ku's bracket.

I would say OSU or MSU. Neither of them are legit #1 seed teams. They may get the #1, but they are more of a low 2 or high 3 in terms of overall quality.

Saul Good 03-11-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJay23 (Post 8439804)
I think Syracuse. Cuse likes to trap out of their zone and Mizzou is too quick. I would think with your 3 point shooters you would have no trouble scoring against their zone.

A Carolina-Mizzou game would be very entertaining.

Syracuse reminds me of KSU. I think they are the WORST matchup for Mizzou.

DJay23 03-11-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zoccer| (Post 8439803)
I thought that conference thing was only for the first few rounds.

I think they avoid a 1-2 in the same bracket from the same conference if they can. Doesn't mean it can't happen.

You're right though they don't want a 1 or 2 playing a conference rival in the second round or even the Sweet 16.

|Zach| 03-11-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJay23 (Post 8439812)
I think they avoid a 1-2 in the same bracket from the same conference if they can. Doesn't mean it can't happen.

You're right though they don't want a 1 or 2 playing a conference rival in the second round or even the Sweet 16.

Gotcha. That makes sense. I guess what I was thinking of was for teams from the same conf regardless of seed.

Spott 03-11-2012 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 8439420)
They'll need the janitor crew to come in and clean out all the cobwebs in that trophy case.

Suck it, MUron.

Ceej 03-11-2012 10:14 AM

I must admit... I still really, really dislike MU. And I'm not one to talk shit over an internet message board.


But, it's tough for me to really dislike any particular individual on their team or their head coach.

Now, I'm going to go cleanse myself.

pkane 03-11-2012 10:20 AM

Bracketology has MU as the 2 seed in the Midwest right now.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 8439725)
Not trolling, but a serious question. When will Missouri play at the Sprint Center again? They won't be in the CBE next November. Is there a plan to play a non-con game in KC? Exhibition against UMKC?

They are trying to set up an invitational tournament similar to the CBE there.

We'll see if they have any luck. It's not going to happen for 2012, but I'm guessing by 2013 they have the framework in place and by 2014 they're playing games there again.

We shall see...

DJ's left nut 03-11-2012 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8439809)
Syracuse reminds me of KSU. I think they are the WORST matchup for Mizzou.

Agreed.

Gimme North Carolina. They're just arrogant enough to try to run with Mizzou and let Mizzou play its own game.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pkane (Post 8439857)
Bracketology has MU as the 2 seed in the Midwest right now.

In Kentucky's bracket.

Meanwhile Kansas gets to slum with Michigan St.

Every. Damn. Year...

stonedstooge 03-11-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8439864)
Agreed.

Gimme North Carolina. They're just arrogant enough to try to run with Mizzou and let Mizzou play its own game.

This. Although Beaker fans told me I was nuts.

Saul Good 03-11-2012 10:44 AM

I'm going to go ahead and predict that Pressey averages 14 PPG next season. After watching the replay of the game, he's got it all under control.

Early in the season, he would only drive and dump. It worked incredibly well, but conference teams got wise to it, and he fell off for a long stretch. Now, he's finishing when nobody helps, he's dishing when they do, and he's hitting enough open jumpers to punish teams for playing off him.

I'm glad he's on our side, and we've got him for 2+ more years.

Dr. Gigglepants 03-11-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8439866)
In Kentucky's bracket.

Meanwhile Kansas gets to slum with Michigan St.

Every. Damn. Year...

No one said it was going to be easy. If they make it that far, in front of a friendly crowd in STL I think they can pull it off. Yesterday gave me more hope than anything. Playing beat up we still handled Baylor. After a few days of rest I think we're set up for a nice tourney.

Pablo 03-11-2012 10:46 AM

Was at the game yesterday. MU dominated from start to finish. I was hoping for a little more interesting of a game, but the Tigers came out hot and didn't look back. There were probably two dozen Baylor fans in the stands. At least it seemed that way.

Congrats on a good season.

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8439778)
This sucks. Michigan State can lose 7 games and get a #1 seed, but Mizzou can only lose 3?

You are again fixated on W/L record. Schedule matters more.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2012 10:50 AM

We met the team at the arena yesterday (beat them back up I-70) and noticed that Denmon still had a little bit of a limp.

Good thing we have a few days off and hopefully a nice 1st round matchup; we're probably going to need the rest.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8439937)
You are again fixated on W/L record. Schedule matters more.

Hardly. The B1G is overrated as hell.

I know you Beakers have to say it isn't because your 'big' win this year was against a Sullingerless Ohio State - but the B1G is just a bunch of muckers beating the shit out of each other and losing to any skilled team they play. Just like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, on into time indeterminate.

A 7-loss MSU team getting a 1 seed over a 30 win Mizzou team is just absurd.

But it's going to happen because old guys love them some Big Ten shitfests.

Saul Good 03-11-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8439937)
You are again fixated on W/L record. Schedule matters more.

So if we'd have scheduled Duke and Kentucky and lost to both of them, we'd be 28-6 and a 1 seed.

|Zach| 03-11-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8439958)
So if we'd have scheduled Duke and Kentucky and lost to both of them, we'd be 28-6 and a 1 seed.

:D

|Zach| 03-11-2012 10:55 AM

Mizzou is 11-3 vs. RPI top-50; UNC is 8-4; OSU is 9-5; MSU is 10-5; KU is 11-5.

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8439954)
Hardly. The B1G is overrated as hell.
I know you Beakers have to say it isn't because your 'big' win this year was against a Sullingerless Ohio State - but the B1G is just a bunch of muckers beating the shit out of each other and losing to any skilled team they play. Just like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, on into time indeterminate.

It's not. It's by far the best conference by any statistical metric. Even their mediocre teams that didn't make it were quite decent (in comparison to the OSU and A&M's of the B12).

Quote:

A 7-loss MSU team getting a 1 seed over a 30 win Mizzou team is just absurd.

But it's going to happen because old guys love them some Big Ten shitfests.
No, what's absurd would be doing it a different way and giving it to a 30 win team that doesn't have the big wins. It's very much the same principle for not giving Murray State a high seed based solely on their record.

|Zach| 03-11-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8439972)
It's not. It's by far the best conference by any statistical metric. Even their mediocre teams that didn't make it were quite decent (in comparison to the OSU and A&M's of the B12).


No, what's absurd would be doing it a different way and giving it to a 30 win team that doesn't have the big wins. It's very much the same principle for not giving Murray State a high seed based solely on their record.

Who?

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8439958)
So if we'd have scheduled Duke and Kentucky and lost to both of them, we'd be 28-6 and a 1 seed.

No, you'd still be behind those B10 teams and KU without actually winning a big non-conference game, but it would have helped the RPI.

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zoccer| (Post 8439980)
Who?

Missouri.

|Zach| 03-11-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8439985)
Missouri.

Ah, it is Missouri who doesn't have any big wins.

Ok.

Saul Good 03-11-2012 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8439972)
It's not. It's by far the best conference by any statistical metric. Even their mediocre teams that didn't make it were quite decent (in comparison to the OSU and A&M's of the B12).


No, what's absurd would be doing it a different way and giving it to a 30 win team that doesn't have the big wins. It's very much the same principle for not giving Murray State a high seed based solely on their record.

What big wins does Kansas have? You beat Baylor twice, Mizzou once, and Georgetown. Beating OSU without Sullinger is like beating KU without Robinson.

Mizzou beat Baylor 3 times, Kansas, and Notre Dame by 100 back when they had their best player.

Missouri is better than Kansas, Ohio State, or Michigan State.

Saul Good 03-11-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zoccer| (Post 8439992)
Ah, it is Missouri who doesn't have any big wins.

Ok.

Congratulations to the Tigers for 30 small wins.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2012 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8439972)
It's not. It's by far the best conference by any statistical metric. Even their mediocre teams that didn't make it were quite decent (in comparison to the OSU and A&M's of the B12).


No, what's absurd would be doing it a different way and giving it to a 30 win team that doesn't have the big wins. It's very much the same principle for not giving Murray State a high seed based solely on their record.

I guess Saul is right - we should've just lost a couple of games to good teams so we could have that 1-seed.

MSU's aggregate wins are not collectively better than Missouri's. Even if they did play in a harder conference (I remain unconvinced; though I know you beakers love sucking on some Kenpom), they lost a bunch.

Merely playing a good team doesn't matter if you don't beat them.

Pablo 03-11-2012 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8439985)
Missouri.

Can't agree with that. They have big wins, just not in non-con.

KC_Connection 03-11-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8439998)
What big wins does Kansas have? You beat Baylor twice, Mizzou once, and Georgetown. Beating OSU without Sullinger is like beating KU without Robinson.

Mizzou beat Baylor 3 times, Kansas, and Notre Dame by 100 back when they had their best player.

So basically MU just has Baylor and KU (because Notre Dame isn't actually a great team). Not nearly enough to be a #1 seed, not at all.


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Missouri is better than Kansas, Ohio State, or Michigan State.
Not according to every statistical metric out there (RPI, BPI, KenPom, Sagarin, Massey). What matters the most for what we're talking about is RPI, though.


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