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Omaha 02-07-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey (Post 10418989)
There is still a huge knowledge gap though. I can't think of anyone that thinks sugar is good for them but I'm always asked how I stay slim/fit and when I tell them that I rarely eat sugar or grains they just throw their hands up in defeat. They make the decision to stay fat, with sleep apnea, constant illness and lack of energy because bread tastes really ****ing good.

Then there's people that think they're eating healthy because of smoothies and fruit juice (aka sugar drinks).

You don't even have to stay low carb. Working out on an ultra low carb diet sucks all the balls. I'm just picky about the types of carbs that I eat. After experimenting with low carb I found that my blood profile also improves quite a bit when I'm constantly chowing down on potatoes, white rice and whole fruit.

You're not describing a knowledge gap. You provided a boatload of great advice in just a few words. This is a lack of giving a shit. This is a lack of personal responsibility.

It sounds like you've got your shit figured out. I'm sure it was a process. It probably required effort and some trial & error. It was probably totally worth it. It was also a process that everyone else has the capacity to accomplish. You just did it. Good for you.

htismaqe 02-07-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 10419039)
You're not describing a knowledge gap. You provided a boatload of great advice in just a few words. This is a lack of giving a shit. This is a lack of personal responsibility.

It sounds like you've got your shit figured out. I'm sure it was a process. It probably required effort and some trial & error. It was probably totally worth it. It was also a process that everyone else has the capacity to accomplish. You just did it. Good for you.

It all started when he became skeptical of the information his doctor gave him.

That's not about "giving a shit". That's about critical thinking.

The "average" person is generally not inclined to disagree with a doctor on such things, so if the doctor is giving them bad information, no amount of effort is going to fix things.

Carlota69 02-07-2014 11:33 AM

When I grocery shop, I very rarely shop on the inside aisles, unless I need toiletries, or water. 95% of the time I only shop the outside aisles, veggies, meats and dairy (and very rarely dairy). A trainer gave me that advice once, and it was some of te best advice I ever recieved in regards to diet and nutrition.

htismaqe 02-07-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 10419057)
When I grocery shop, I very rarely shop on the inside aisles, unless I need toiletries, or water. 95% of the time I only shop the outside aisles, veggies, meats and dairy (and very rarely dairy). A trainer gave me that advice once, and it was some of te best advice I ever recieved in regards to diet and nutrition.

Interestingly enough, our local grocery put the health market on the far outside wall.

So the leftmost aisle is produce, the back wall is seafood, meat, and diary, and the rightmost side is the health market.

Carlota69 02-07-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10419062)
Interestingly enough, our local grocery put the health market on the far outside wall.

So the leftmost aisle is produce, the back wall is seafood, meat, and diary, and the rightmost side is the health market.

I wish mine would do that.

Cephalic Trauma 02-07-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey (Post 10419006)
Exactly!

I was trying to follow what my doctor told me to do for years and I was getting bigger and my blood work was getting worse. Cardio and heart healthy grains is what he was preaching.

I show up a year later down 55lbs and ripped and told him I started doing the opposite. I also fired that doctor. He should be preaching weightlifting and more saturated fat.

Now I have an annual fight with my insurance company because of the diet survey I have to fill out and their stupid BMI calculator. I'm consistently between 11% and 13% body fat, with a 31" waist and I'm borderline overweight according to them.

Word. This works extremely well (I do it, too), and I'm glad you fired that bastard because he sounds like an old drone.

BMI is such horse shit too. If you are short and/or muscular, it totally bones you.

Cephalic Trauma 02-07-2014 11:44 AM

Low carb where you eat all the meat, fat, veges, dairy, nuts, and get your sugar intake from fruit works extremely well for cutting weight.

Complex carbs and added sugar are the debil.

htismaqe 02-07-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10419075)
Low carb where you eat all the meat, fat, veges, dairy, nuts, and get your sugar intake from fruit works extremely well for cutting weight.

Complex carbs and added sugar are the debil.

How do you deal with dairy?

Because most store-bought milk is mostly water and sugar, especially after they take all the fat out of it.

I eat cheese (of course) and I also do yogurt and other stuff but when it comes to milk itself, we generally use almond or almond/coconut blend.

Cephalic Trauma 02-07-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10419119)
How do you deal with dairy?

Because most store-bought milk is mostly water and sugar, especially after they take all the fat out of it.

I eat cheese (of course) and I also do yogurt and other stuff but when it comes to milk itself, we generally use almond or almond/coconut blend.

Exactly. I buy a quart of milk to use in scrambled eggs and I drink a small glass postworkout for quick sugar-protein, but that's it. A quart will last me 2 weeks.

But like you said, cheese, cottage cheese and yogurt are great.

And honestly, stringent diet plans are really hard to follow unless you have some sort of OCD-like mentality. That's why low carb is really easy. It just restricts complex carbs and added sugar, while everything else is fair game.

jiveturkey 02-07-2014 12:28 PM

Being stringent/OCD isn't possible for me. It's probably 90/10 in my case.

Eating out is pretty much impossible so I just enjoy it when I do and order what's going to taste good instead of what's the healthiest. Keeping junk out of the house is the best piece of advice I can give people.

There's no need to be a total weirdo when you're out with friends though.

Cephalic Trauma 02-07-2014 12:40 PM

Small quantities of milk with the added sugar and large quantities of beer once every two weeks are my pitfalls. But, it has still worked for me quite well.

jiveturkey 02-12-2014 12:21 PM

This seemed like a good place for this. I consider this the dietary thread now.

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The modern diet is the main reason why people all over the world are fatter and sicker than ever before. Everywhere modern processed foods go, chronic diseases like obesity, type 2 diabetes and heart disease soon follow.
The studies are clear on this... when people abandon their traditional foods in favor of modern processed foods high in sugar, refined flour and vegetable oils, they get sick (1, 2, 3). Of course, there are many things that can contribute to these health problems, but changes in the diet are the most important factor.

Here are 11 graphs that show everything that is wrong with the modern diet.

1. Total Sugar Intake Has Skyrocketed in The Past 160 Years

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People in Western countries are consuming massive amounts of refined sugars, reaching about 150 lbs (67 kg) per year in some countries. This amounts to over 500calories of sugar per day.
The sources vary on the exact figures, but it is very clear that we are consuming way more sugar than our bodies are equipped to handle (4). Controlled human studies show that large amounts of sugar can lead to severe metabolic problems, including insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, elevated cholesterol and triglycerides — to name a few (5, 6).

Added sugar is believed to be one of the main drivers of diseases like obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease and even cancer (7, 8, 9, 10).

2. Consumption of Soda and Fruit Juice Has Increased Dramatically

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Of all the sugar sources in the diet, sugar-sweetened beverages are the worst. Fruit juice is actually no better... it contains a similar amount of sugar as most soft drinks (11).
Getting sugar in liquid form is particularly harmful. The studies show that the brain doesn't "register" liquid sugar calories the in the same way as calories from solid foods, which dramatically increases total calorie intake (12, 13). One study found that in children, each daily serving of sugar-sweetened beverages is linked to a 60% increased risk of obesity (14)..

3. Calorie Intake Has Gone up by Around 400 Calories Per Day

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Although sources vary on the exact figures, it is clear that calorie intake has increased dramatically in the past few decades (15).
There are many complicated reasons for this, including increased processed food and sugar consumption, increased food availability, more aggressive marketing towards children, etc (16).

4. People Have Abandoned Traditional Fats in Favor of Processed Vegetable Oils

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When health professionals started blaming saturated fat for heart disease, people abandoned traditional fats like butter, lard and coconut oil in favor of processed vegetable oils.
These oils are very high in Omega-6 fatty acids, which can contribute to inflammation and various problems when consumed in excess (17, 18). These oils are often hydrogenated, which makes them high in trans fats. Many studies have shown that these fats and oils actually increase the risk of heart disease, even if they aren't hydrogenated (19, 20, 21).

Therefore, the misguided advice to avoid saturated fat and choose vegetable oils instead may have actually fueled the heart disease epidemic.

5. People Replaced Heart-Healthy Butter With Trans-Fat Laden Margarine

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Another side effect of the "war" on saturated fat was an increase in margarine consumption.
Margarine was traditionally made with hydrogenated oils, which are high in trans fats. Many studies show that trans fats increase the risk of heart disease (22, 23).

Grass-fed butter actually contains nutrients that are protective against heart disease (like Vitamin K2), therefore the advice to replace heart-healthy butter with trans-fat laden margarine may have done a lot of damage (24).

6. Soybean Oil Has Become a Major Source of Calories

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The most commonly consumed vegetable oil in the U.S. is soybean oil. Soybean oil actually provided 7% of calories in the U.S. diet in the year 1999, which is huge (25)!
However, most people don't have a clue they're eating this much soybean oil. They're actually getting most of it from processed foods, which often have soybean oil added to them because it is cheap. The best way to avoid soybean oil (and other nasty ingredients) is to avoid processed foods.

7. Modern Wheat is Less Nutritious Than Older Varieties of Wheat

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Wheat is a major part of the Western diet. It is found in all sorts of foods... breads, pastas, pastries, pizzas and various processed products.
However... wheat has changed in the past few decades.

Modern dwarf wheat was introduced around the year 1960, which contains 19-28% less of important minerals like Magnesium, Iron, Zinc and Copper. There is also evidence that modern wheat is much more harmful to celiac patients and people with gluten sensitivity, compared to older breeds like Einkorn wheat (26,27, 28).

Whereas wheat may have been relatively healthy back in the day, the same is not true of modern dwarf wheat.

8. Egg Consumption Has Gone Down

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Eggs are among the most nutritious foods on the planet. Despite being high in cholesterol, eggs don't raise the bad cholesterol in the blood (29).
For some reason, the health authorities have recommended that we cut back on eggs, even though there is no evidence that they contribute to heart disease (30). Since the year 1950, we have decreased our consumption of this highly nutritious food from 375 to 250 eggs per year, a decrease of 33%.

This has contributed to a deficiency in important nutrients like Choline, which about 90% of Americans aren't getting enough of (31).

9. People Are Eating More Processed Foods Than Ever Before

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This graph shows how consumption of fast foods has increased in the past few decades.
Keep in mind that even though it looks like people are still eating most of their foods "at home&" — this does not take into account the fact that most people are also eating processed, pre-packaged foods at home.

10. The Increased Vegetable Oil Consumption Has Changed The Fatty Acid Composition of Our Bodies


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Most of the Omega-6 fats that people are eating is a fatty acid called linoleic acid.
Studies show that this fatty acid actually gets incorporated into our cell membranes and body fat stores. These fats are prone to oxidation, which damages molecules (like DNA) in the body and may be increasing our risk of cancer (32, 33, 34, 35, 36).

In other words, the increased consumption of processed vegetable oils has lead to actual harmful structural changes in our bodies. That's a scary thought.

11. The Low-Fat Dietary Guidelines Were Published Around The Same Time The Obesity Epidemic Started

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The first dietary guidelines for Americans were published in the year 1977, almost at the exact same time the obesity epidemic started. Of course, this doesn't prove anything (correlation does not equal causation), but it makes sense that this could be more than just a mere coincidence.
The anti-fat message essentially put the blame on saturated fat and cholesterol (harmless), while giving sugar and refined carbs (very unhealthy) a free pass.

Since the guidelines were published, many massive studies have been conducted on the low-fat diet. It is no better at preventing heart disease, obesity or cancer than the standard Western diet, which is as unhealthy as a diet can get (37, 38, 39, 40).

For some very strange reason, we are still being advised to follow this type of diet, despite the studies showing it to be completely ineffective.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2014 01:53 PM

Just ate some haribo gummy bears

Buck 02-12-2014 02:24 PM

Great post jiveturkey, people treat fat like a 4 letter word.

Mr. Laz 03-25-2014 12:34 PM

Surgeon: Why I’ve ditched statins for good after quitting sugar and eating more animal fat
Published on March 25, 2014,

The Telegraph has a fascinating article from a vascular surgeon who takes issue with the latest recommendations that statins should be given to more people to prevent heart disease and stroke and says he feels better without them after giving up sugar and eating more animal fats…

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Why I’ve ditched statins for good

The only major changes I’d made to my lifestyle since coming off statins were eliminating sugar (including alcohol and starchy foods such as bread) and eating more animal fat. Many experts now believe that sugar is emerging as a true villain in the heart-disease story; while after decades of demonisation, saturated fat has been acquitted of causing heart disease by a recent “meta” analysis of 70 studies by Cambridge University. Typically, I was eating red meat three or four times a week and enjoying butter, full-fat milk and plenty of eggs. You would have thought that after three months on a diet so high in saturated fat, my cholesterol would have shot back up to pre-statin levels – but no, it came down and has stayed down seven months on.


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