Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 12071072)

There's quite a gap between Cam Newton and Alex Smith here.

For example, Newton was stymied by his terrible receivers and terrible offensive line, so it wasn't really his fault. When this happened to Alex Smith, he was supposed to "throw them open" and if he were a good QB, he'd raise the level of the people around him.

Newton turned the ball over 3 times and produced no touchdowns, to say nothing of his mental gaffe of not going in for the fumble which ended his team's chances, or his screaming at officials toward the end, but it was excusable because he was playing a great defense. Smith gets criticized when he plays a good defense and wins, but doesn't put up a lot of yards.

Smith has never once displayed a lack of maturity like Newton did last night after the game, but around here he's seen as not leading enough, just towing the company line, etc

In the game thread, you point out that Newton was overthrowing half the time, side arming passes, etc., it's because he is being hurried. Smith dealt with that all last year and it was just "no more excuses!"

It's remarkable how we at CP treat our own players worse than anyone else's. It's particularly remarkable today, because Alex Smith probably would have won that game. Nobody has ever said Smith was an elite QB but he is a mature player who usually keeps his cool in the pocket, does well at feeling the rush, and handles pressure without becoming a turnover machine or losing his accuracy.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12071086)

It's hilarious that everyone was crucifying or QB for overthrowing Kelce when Cam had 4 overthrown passes to WR's that were wide open.

The guy gave up at the end and didn't even try to get the fumble. If Alex did that on the last drive of the game he would get crucified

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12070872)

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...e-comments-nfl

There's a transcript. Don't see or hear anything about a black community. I think there is more to that last question than whats written. I can here "tough... [inaudible]... locker room." But still nothing about race.

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12071538)

This whole thread people thought I would waver on my position on Cam being an overrated QB part of Rivera's scheme...http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-against-them/

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12071590)

And you still should waver given the total body of work, but you only to raise the bar until he couldnt get over it. He is a top 5 QB in the kaegue and only a dumbass would not part with a 1st.

Is he Wilson? Maybe, maybe not. Nobody but you gives a shit about bringing Wilson into it.

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12071608)

Cam didn't live up to the MVP status and those gold shoes he was showing off. And Cam brought Wilson into the conversation when he said the league hasnt seen an African player like him play QB...