ChiefsPlanet - Cardinals "Official" 2011 St. Louis Cardinals Thread

I'd agree with all of that.

And not that it would ever happen, but there are already sports radio guys who have the plan to make sure #6 happens.

Trade Holliday to the Nationals.

I heard two different guys on two different stations suggest it within an hour of each other on Saturday afternoon.

I don't see anyone taking on his contract.

I'd trade Holliday in a heartbeat. Make room for Craig and free up some money to sign albert and go after Oswalt.

OnTheWarpath15

10-30-2011 08:54 PM

By the way, the parade was a ****ing blast. I'll try to upload some video over the next couple days.

And I shit you not, a ****ing squirrel was running around between sections 160-164 during the ceremony. ****er ran right under my feet at one point.

Hilarious.

BigRedChief

10-30-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8061675)

1)You can't afford Jackson. Offer him arb, let him decline, and take the pick.
2) You have to make Albert an offer to retire a Cardinal. He's worth more as an iconic figure than you can measure through stats.
3) Miller and Martinez won't be ready next year. Maybe by 2013.
4) You pretty much have to run Lohse and Westbrook out there next year, but after that, their deals expire, which may allow for the Cardinals to go for an impact MIF
5) It wouldn't surprise me to see the Cards offer an incentive-laden deal to Roy Oswalt, or something similar to what they gave to Brad Penny in 2010.
6) Hopefully we can get as many ABs for Craig as possible next year. He needs at least 300+. He's just too damned good.
7) Re-sign Furcal
8) Let Theriot walk
9) Non-tender Skip
10) Have Rzepczynski, Lynn, and Brandon Dickson battle it out for the #5 spot, since we can't just release Lohse and Westbrook
11) If Dotel is willing to come back as a MR, do it.
12) We are going to desperately need a LHRP, especially if Scrabble becomes a #5 starter/long guy
13) Let McClellan walk.

Hey this is "Official" 2012 thread material. :rolleyes:
Agree with most but...........
3) I see Miller in the second half. Martinez in 2013.
5) Incentive laden is the key. Have 3 vets battle for two spots in the rotation works for me.
7)If we don't resign Pujols, I say go after Reyes
10) I like the incentive contract for a veteran over the young talent. Let them work out of the bullpen.
13) He's a reliever best used sparringly and in in spots. He should realize that and stay around in that capacity.

BigRedChief

10-30-2011 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8061711)

I'd trade Holliday in a heartbeat. Make room for Craig and free up some money to sign albert and go after Oswalt.

WTF is this trade Halliday shit coming from. He has a firm no way in hell can I be traded clause. He's not going to want to leave. He's put down roots, lives full time in st, Louis, kids in schools. It's a pipe dream. Just let it go.

Marcellus

10-30-2011 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8061706)

I think Holloday shows up big next year.

May be homerism but God knows I have cursed him like a slow driver in the left lane this year but I liked the signing originally and I am going to stick with it.

OnTheWarpath15

10-30-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8061730)

I'm fine with him as well. Just mentioning how quickly a couple of guys in the media have turned on him.

Gotta find a way to get Master Allen on the field though. Shame that he'd be a liability in CF.

O.city

10-30-2011 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8061734)

Yeah. I think he will get alot more time in right next year. No way Berkman can repeat this year.

KC_Connection

10-30-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 8061445)

That's Keith Law, former GM, current blowhard.

Keith Law was never a GM. He worked under JP Ricciardi, the two had a dispute (predictably), and he left.

BigRedChief

10-30-2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8061697)

Honestly at this point I might look to package Lohse and Garcia to anyone who would take them. If you could sign Oswalt to pair witn Carp and Waino.

GEEEZZZ who the hell would want Loshe? Especially having to give up something of value to obtain him. He is not even worth an "A" level player.

We just resigned Garcia at a reasonable salary. Why trade him? We just have to hope he gets his head on straight when things go south during a game. If he can recover in an inning he will be a good member of the pitching staff.

Marcellus

10-30-2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8061734)

Huge delima. In a good way. I wish Craig could play 2nd and I know they tried but that's a tough experiment.

I wouldn't be suprised if TLR is back, and honesty if I were him I would retire, to see another 2nd base expierment with Craig alla Skip.

All that depending on AP staying.

I honestly think of AP leaves and you get Craig in right and Berkman at 1st the offense doesn't skip a beat.

Would rather have AP and try to figure out the rest though.

O.city

10-30-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8061754)

Yeah, Garcia just doesn't impress me that much.

Marcellus

10-30-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8061759)

Yeah, Garcia just doesn't impress me that much.

Garcia is very young, he hasn;t hit his ceiling yet, I hiope.

KC_Connection

10-30-2011 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8061587)

I wasn't against the trade then and obviously am not now. I was one of the few from the get go.

Rasmus is JD Drew V.2 with a little less talent and less heart and it's hard to have less heart than Drew. Real hard.

If Rasmus could ever become anywhere close to JD Drew as a hitter (.278/.384/.489 career), that would be great for the Jays. I don't see him having the plate discipline, though. Still should wind up as a pretty good hitter for a CF.

O.city

10-30-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8061763)

Rasmus is just a damn headcase. I don't really ever see him being the guy they thought he would be.

KC_Connection

10-30-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8061764)

Rasmus is just a damn headcase. I don't really ever see him being the guy they thought he would be.

Sometimes talent can overcome that aspect. It has with Yunel Escobar in Toronto.

I was just listening to a Brett Lawrie interview where he talks about how Rasmus was the most laidback guy he's ever seen in a clubhouse. Hearing that, the JD Drew comparisons seem legit.

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