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RealSNR 05-06-2012 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8597191)
Way undervalue him. Belcher has got better every single season, has excellent ball instincts and has really taken to playing the middle after being on the edge in college. He really has a feel for the game and he absolutely brings the lumber. People simply don't understand the role of the MLB in this system, so they don't see the impact of Belchers game.

As well, I think the casual fan simply looks at the Chiefs roster and sees a 226 lb. listing and thinks that he's too small to play the MLB in a 34, when, in actuallity, the guy was 246 at his college pro day and played last year at 255. (I still can't figure out why the Chiefs are sandbagging his weight.)

He's also a lot more athletic that people think. He was an OLB and DE for Maine who was quite adept at getting to the quarterback. He was also a three time All-American wrestler at the prep level and played damn near every position on his high school football team on both sides of the ball. Again, the problem is that he's not asked to be the open field roamer. He's the guy who blows up guards getting to the ball carrier. And he does that quite effectively.

He's one of the better Mike backers in the league and I wholely agree with the Brandon Carr comparison.

I hope that the Chiefs get a long term deal done with Belcher and not allow him to explore the open market. Someone is going to pay the guy.
Can't cover TEs? He's a piece of shit /Morons on CP

Tribal Warfare 05-06-2012 02:11 PM
Tyler Bray is the kid I want if KC tottaly tanks, if Barkley is unattainable. The kid is pinpoint accurate, nice footwork, has a quick release, and a great NFL caliber arm.

Titty Meat 05-06-2012 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8597191)
Way undervalue him. Belcher has got better every single season, has excellent ball instincts and has really taken to playing the middle after being on the edge in college. He really has a feel for the game and he absolutely brings the lumber. People simply don't understand the role of the MLB in this system, so they don't see the impact of Belchers game.

As well, I think the casual fan simply looks at the Chiefs roster and sees a 226 lb. listing and thinks that he's too small to play the MLB in a 34, when, in actuallity, the guy was 246 at his college pro day and played last year at 255. (I still can't figure out why the Chiefs are sandbagging his weight.)

He's also a lot more athletic that people think. He was an OLB and DE for Maine who was quite adept at getting to the quarterback. He was also a three time All-American wrestler at the prep level and played damn near every position on his high school football team on both sides of the ball. Again, the problem is that he's not asked to be the open field roamer. He's the guy who blows up guards getting to the ball carrier. And he does that quite effectively.

He's one of the better Mike backers in the league and I wholely agree with the Brandon Carr comparison.

I hope that the Chiefs get a long term deal done with Belcher and not allow him to explore the open market. Someone is going to pay the guy.
They will? Inside linebacker is one of the least importating positions according to market value.

suds79 05-07-2012 11:05 AM
Just another list of top QBs heading into next year.

http://www.lostlettermen.com/slidesh...013-nfl-draft/

jd1020 05-07-2012 03:13 PM
A top QB in the draft likely wont happen since I doubt the Chiefs are bad enough to even be able to make a move up for one, let alone be bad enough to draft one.

I'm not counting on many of the JR's to declare so I'm hoping someone like EJ Manuel comes through.

DJ's left nut 05-07-2012 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8597191)
I hope that the Chiefs get a long term deal done with Belcher and not allow him to explore the open market. Someone is going to pay the guy.
He's also durable as hell.

I completely agree, get a 4-5 year deal done with this guy ASAP. He's a great athlete, has a nose for the football and the right attitude for a thankless job.

I love me some Belcher.

Chief Roundup 05-07-2012 03:48 PM
Oh same ole same ole. There will be 2 good QBs and then there is a huge dropoff and we will not be in a position to draft one of the top 2 so we are stuck drafting the 3rd or 4th best QB available. YeeHaw
Wash, Rinse, Repeat. We are going to have to trade up or have a horrible season. One that would make last season look good to get a top QB prospect.

suds79 05-09-2012 08:29 AM
Not that it'll be a problem for us but I'm going to just ask.

Why is Matt Barkley considered to be the #1 pick for next year? I get that he has a lot of experience and comes from a pro system but beyond that? I just don't see it.

It was either McShay or another scout who mentioned that Barkley is hard to evaluate because he's surrounded by such good talent at USC. I can see that. Furthermore, I don't think he has elite tools. Good size. Not great. I'd also say a very average NFL arm.

Watch this video. How many of these throws does he simply lob it up with a lot of air under the ball and allow his teammates to go make a play? That won't fly in the NFL.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rzaAkdFavnA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Frosty 05-09-2012 08:40 AM
I've said it before but I am not a Barkley fan. I do think he is just a product of the talent around him. He frequently gets to just stand back there unmolested and then throw to a wide open Woods.

Maybe he will take the next step this year to start looking like a NFL QB. :shrug:

Chiefnj2 05-09-2012 10:35 AM
At some point you've got to roll the dice, warts and all.

As far as QB prospects:

1. Barkley - I agree with the last few posters. I see your typical USC QB who has had the benefit of the best training, etc., since they were 5 years old, playing on a talented team against a bunch of bad defenses. These guys are close to peak and aren't used to adversity.

2. Tyler Bray - I do not get the fascination with this kid. Injured both years. Destroys poor competition, but is below average against better teams. Maybe he'll pull it together this year.

3. Tyler Wilson - my personal favorite so far.

4. Keith Price - Only saw him against Baylor and I was impressed, albeit against a bad D. I think he'll come in shorter than listed which will cause the various Breese comparison/arguments.

5. Landry Jones - I remember watching his first few games thinking, this kid has a lot of potential. Sadly, he hasn't seemed to improve. Looks like he did early on.

6. Logan Thomas - Haven't seen him play, but his stats are wildly inconsistent. Compl % ranged from 40% to 92% last year. 5 games under 55% .

RealSNR 05-09-2012 10:59 AM
Good to see other Barkley haters on this thread.

Matt (like other reeruned USC QBs named Matt) didn't know when was the right time to leave college and enter the pros. It's possible that his draft stock tanks this year especially as other more talented QBs pass him up this year.

I realize that "tanks" is a strong word. I mean that Barkley drops out of the top 5 overall. I think that's a definite possibility.

Frosty 05-09-2012 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8604421)
At some point you've got to roll the dice, warts and all.

As far as QB prospects:

1. Barkley - I agree with the last few posters. I see your typical USC QB who has had the benefit of the best training, etc., since they were 5 years old, playing on a talented team against a bunch of bad defenses. These guys are close to peak and aren't used to adversity.

2. Tyler Bray - I do not get the fascination with this kid. Injured both years. Destroys poor competition, but is below average against better teams. Maybe he'll pull it together this year.

3. Tyler Wilson - my personal favorite so far.

4. Keith Price - Only saw him against Baylor and I was impressed, albeit against a bad D. I think he'll come in shorter than listed which will cause the various Breese comparison/arguments.

5. Landry Jones - I remember watching his first few games thinking, this kid has a lot of potential. Sadly, he hasn't seemed to improve. Looks like he did early on.

6. Logan Thomas - Haven't seen him play, but his stats are wildly inconsistent. Compl % ranged from 40% to 92% last year. 5 games under 55% .

Remember all of the "don't draft Tannehill because the QB class next year is better" arguments?

Uh huh. :rolleyes:

RealSNR 05-09-2012 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8604566)
Remember all of the "don't draft Tannehill because the QB class next year is better" arguments?

Uh huh. :rolleyes:
"Man, next year's class is going to be soooo good! There will be Andrew Luck... and Matt Barkley... and Landry Jones... and Nick Foles! We could potentially see four QBs go in the top 5! All of those guys are franchise studs!"

RealSNR 05-09-2012 12:06 PM
Assuming Bray and Murray stay in school for one more year, these are the QBs I'd be willing to take in the top 10 next year:

Matt Barkley
Tyler Wilson
Geno Smith

That's pretty much it. Price, Jones, and Thomas to me all scream "Nick Foles or Andrew Luck? I can't decide!"

Frosty 05-09-2012 12:13 PM
Just like this year, the good guys will be out of reach and everyone else will have major question marks. Just like this year (and last and ...).


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