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Prison Bitch 05-16-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 9686439)
But really, you don't think that KU/MU/UT/TAM don't know that they all just ended 2 of the longest running rivalries (KU/MU 121 years; UT/A&M 118 years) and you don't think that those rivalries are important to each school let alone the majority of their fans?


No, not really. They weren't important at all to Missouri or Texas A&M. They preferred to play Vanderbilt and Miss State instead.


The reality is, most rivalries aren't that important. Only a select few even matter. Rivalries are nearly all gone now, even ND told MIchigan it was over. (Now ask yourself: is ND-Michigan football or the Border War bigger?)


I'm not saying it can't happen at all. Nobody knows the future. You care and I don't. I'm sure that reflects the KU fanbase pretty well actually.

mnchiefsguy 05-16-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9684582)
We already went through this once. I believe the reasons for this are laid out in the re-alignment thread, so do a search on it and you'll find out what htey are. I believe you were already in on it though, so it might just be a project you can do solo.

We went though it once, and it was established you are an idiot, and your precious AD is a hypocrite.

Prison Bitch 05-16-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 9686468)
We went though it once, and it was established you are an idiot, and your precious AD is a hypocrite.

You act like any of us value your opinion.

mnchiefsguy 05-16-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9686429)
I know what Sheahen Zenger has said publicly, and that's really enough to base a valid opinion on. Certainly better odds than relying on some internet dork.

He publicly stated that KU would never play a team that left the Big XII conference...but somehow CU magically wound up on their schedule. Things change.

mnchiefsguy 05-16-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9686471)
You act like any of us value your opinion.

And you are a troll, contribute nothing to the board, and are hated by your fellow KU fans almost as much as Wickedson. Congrats!

Saul Good 05-16-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9686450)
There's one regular season football game on the list. The point isn't to compare football and basketball. It's to show the popularity of CBB and why these conferences are trying to capitalize on it.

It's a legit point. I've mentioned on here before that Slive was rumored to want Duke and North Carolina as 15 & 16 with the thought process being that the SEC could become the dominant force in both basketball and football. A conference with Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina as historical powers, Florida as a current powerhouse, and complimentary teams like Mizzou and Arkansas would be an absolute juggernaut. What's more is that elevating the conference's basketball profile could cause all of the schools to invest in their programs...and there is a ton of talent in the SE that hasn't really been tapped by the SEC.

I was intrigued by the idea, but I worried that it could potentially be terrible for college athletics (and would likely spell the end of the tournament as we know it eventually) if that were to happen.

Slive has no love for the NCAA and no concern for the mid-majors (nor do I, really). If he controlled basketball and football, he would almost certainly try to pull the four superconferences (Big/ACC consolidating into the fourth) out of the NCAA and create a true football playoff plus a smaller (8 or 16 team) basketball tournament without any mid majors.

I don't know if that would be a good thing or not.

Saul Good 05-16-2013 09:21 AM

Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.

BourbonMan 05-16-2013 09:50 AM

Unfortunatly..Saul Good is correct
Slive is looking at the big picture. He doesn't give a shit about KU/MU.
He is trying to make the SEC the Power house Conference.
You guys are trying to make Mountains out of Mole hills with this HE SAID/SHE SAID crap about KU/MU..:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9686497)
It's a legit point. I've mentioned on here before that Slive was rumored to want Duke and North Carolina as 15 & 16 with the thought process being that the SEC could become the dominant force in both basketball and football. A conference with Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina as historical powers, Florida as a current powerhouse, and complimentary teams like Mizzou and Arkansas would be an absolute juggernaut. What's more is that elevating the conference's basketball profile could cause all of the schools to invest in their programs...and there is a ton of talent in the SE that hasn't really been tapped by the SEC.

I was intrigued by the idea, but I worried that it could potentially be terrible for college athletics (and would likely spell the end of the tournament as we know it eventually) if that were to happen.

Slive has no love for the NCAA and no concern for the mid-majors (nor do I, really). If he controlled basketball and football, he would almost certainly try to pull the four superconferences (Big/ACC consolidating into the fourth) out of the NCAA and create a true football playoff plus a smaller (8 or 16 team) basketball tournament without any mid majors.

I don't know if that would be a good thing or not.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9686506)
Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.


Prison Bitch 05-16-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 9686473)
He publicly stated that KU would never play a team that left the Big XII conference...but somehow CU magically wound up on their schedule. Things change.

We already went thru this, and you're still as confused as ever.

Prison Bitch 05-16-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan (Post 9686564)
Unfortunatly..Saul Good is correct
Slive is looking at the big picture. He doesn't give a shit about KU/MU.


Wait, what? Saul said that this new hoops arrangement is a backdoor way to get old rivalries rekindled. But you're saying Slive doesn't give a shit about it. (Which is correct, he doesn't). So you seem to be confused, because you really think Saul is wrong.

mnchiefsguy 05-16-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9686506)
Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.

Hey Prison Bitch...you should read the bolded parts...they are common knowledge, despite your denial.

BourbonMan 05-16-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9686606)
Wait, what? Saul said that this new hoops arrangement is a backdoor way to get old rivalries rekindled. But you're saying Slive doesn't give a shit about it. (Which is correct, he doesn't). So you seem to be confused, because you really think Saul is wrong.

Yep, your right, he did flip/flop.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9684164)
So these games are going to take place over the course of five weeks...

Gross

This thing is ****ing stupid. It's about as intriguing as the Big 12 PAC 12 challenge was. (Anyone remember that abortion?)

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."

I still stand by my statement and still think that Slive is looking at the Big picture and doesn't give a crap about the KU/MU rivalry..except it would bring in lots of viewers and revenue.

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan (Post 9684432)
I think this concept of playing other conferences for non-com is a great idea, it reminds me of the NFL...For example:
The AFC WEST have games against another AFC Divisions AND also play a couple of games against an NFC Division, the following years it switches to other divisions.
We could have the makings of something like that starting in the College ranks, SEC plays BIG12....Next year SEC plays PAC12, BIG12 plays BIG10..AND SO ON, AND SO ON.
This would eleminate playing CREAM PUFFS for NON-COM games, the only people getting hurt would be the Smaller Conferences and Schools.


Mr. Plow 05-16-2013 10:28 AM

Welp, it was a good thread for awhile - enjoy the new realignment thread.

Bambi 05-16-2013 10:53 AM

I hope Tennessee brings Jenny Wright

http://images.mstarz.com/data/images...rae-golden.jpg

Prison Bitch 05-16-2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BourbonMan (Post 9686639)
I still stand by my statement and still think that Slive is looking at the Big picture and doesn't give a crap about the KU/MU rivalry..except it would bring in lots of viewers and revenue.

I'm not sure why people think these games bring in revenue. As I said earlier I would guess ESPN would attract more viewers to Kansas-Florida than the Border War. I'm fairly certain it would sell out in Lawrence or KC, too.


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