I'd move Bell outside. I think Thurman is a lot more ready to play in the NFL than Kawika was. But that's JMO.

Outside the top 15-20 picks, I do that with all the teams not just KC. It seems like too much work.

except for gunther doesn't want to play cover 2 ... he wants to play man-on-man press coverage.

I'm pretty sure that was his point.

I am literally going to puke if we lose Surtain to the freaking Cardinals.

Carl and his 1,000 lb ego sure do make it hard to be a fan of this team sometimes.

Hopefully, this is simply a smokescreen by Miami to use as leverage.

oooo .... dam, i just read that post all wrong ROFL

Well, I look at it this way.

With Rolle there were definite reasons not to sign the guy to a HUGE deal -- he spent almost half of his time on the injury report list, he played for some bad defenses, he was undersized, etc. Whether legit or not, well that's debatable. But there WERE flaws that one could reason wouldn't make him worth $15M.

With Hartwell there's certainly less of those. Perhaps the biggest one was that he wanted to be paid like the #1 LB in the league. Again, there was at least one reason that any reasonable person could say "Well, we didn't get him, but it's ok."

With Surtain, there are none of those reasons. NONE. There is absolutely ZERO reason the guy shouldn't be in a Chiefs uniform RIGHT ****ING NOW. He's a Pro Bowler who has played for the league's top pass defense -- and no, not last year's top pass defense, the top pass defense SINCE HE GOT THERE.

Exactly.

I cannot fathom why the Chiefs are dicking around in the manner that they are in regard to this guy. I cant think of a single reason to justify not landing this guy on the defense. He's worth the 2nd rounder, and he's worth the money.

If they are actually serious about improving the secondary, they have a very, very strange way of showing it.

Beacuse unfortunately for the CHIEFS, TY LAW is still out there. I can't wait for the "One ARROWHEAD Drive SPIN JOB"... ROFL :shake:

Just wait for all the "bad knees" crap to spew from C.P. and company after Zona signs Surtain... :shake:

EXACTLY! :clap:

Then sign a FA LB after June 1. with BOTH CB's we'd be for a LONG time. Man, this deal is there for the taking and the CHIEFS are going to blow it. :shake:

Let's not put the cart ahead of the horse. If we don't get Surtain there will be plenty of reason to complain, but negotiations are still going on.

Has anyone noticed how everytime CP or DV talk about the defense they say that they want the defense to be just "middle of the pack". What kind of goal is that, to be just average. Carl knew when he brought DV in that we were gonna spend all our money on offense. He tried to nickle and dime the defensive side of the ball and thought that we would score enough to overcome a bad defense. In some ways we do that, but come playoff time everyone knows that defense wins. I just think that we need to set a better goal rather than that of "middle of the pack" status. We need to set a goal more like, "get back to mid 90's defense" status.