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Redcoats58 01-08-2007 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC
And Croyle played in this offense in college....

You're missing the point. No one is saying experience doesn't matter. Herm is making an assertion that our offense is too complicated for our young players to learn. The reality of the situation is that our offense is too complicated for someone as IQ-challenged as Herm Edwards to understand. Herm simply does not understand the concept of game theory (optimal strategies), and thinks football is only about hitting people in the mouth.
Herm still has that old school players mentality.

FringeNC 01-08-2007 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by doomy3
There is a HUGE difference between Pace and Black learning the system. Or Holt and Jeff Webb.
Why? Do we draft low IQ guys? Did Webb have a bad Wonderlic? Sure, he may not have the talent of Holt, but that doesn't mean he can't learn the offense.

Taco John 01-08-2007 12:43 AM
You guys would finish in last place if you had Croyle starting this, or next year.

He's a talented kid, but he's got a lot of development to go through, including physical, before you want to put him in charge of an offense. The only thing starting him too early is going to do is destroy his confidence.

If he was a guy who could be ready in year one or two, he'd have been a first or second round pick. The reason he fell to the third round is that everyone in the league knew he was a developmental prospect. He could be a solid starter someday with that arm if he's given the time he needs to fill out and get up to speed.

CoMoChief 01-08-2007 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by doomy3
Are you serious right now? Warner had been around football much longer and picked many more offenses than Croyle. There is something to be said for experience. Warner had played several years in football after college, unlike Croyle. Plus, Croyle was hurt for most of camp.
Kurt played in the arena leagues most of his career, which isn't exactly the NFL.

doomy3 01-08-2007 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief
Kurt played in the arena leagues most of his career, which isn't exactly the NFL.

I agree, but it is still something. He had to learn new offenses when he played arena. There is something to be said about experience. The point is that he wasn't a 21 year old kid out of college that was making the jump from a simple college offense to the most complex offensive scheme in the NFL. Especially, like TJ said, when you are talking about a 3rd round QB, one who was hurt all through training camp at that.

RealSNR 01-08-2007 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Taco John
You guys would finish in last place if you had Croyle starting this, or next year.

He's a talented kid, but he's got a lot of development to go through, including physical, before you want to put him in charge of an offense. The only thing starting him too early is going to do is destroy his confidence.

If he was a guy who could be ready in year one or two, he'd have been a first or second round pick. The reason he fell to the third round is that everyone in the league knew he was a developmental prospect. He could be a solid starter someday with that arm if he's given the time he needs to fill out and get up to speed.
Agreed. We're much better off going with an old fart veteran for at least another season.

Hopefully Croyle eventually bursts forth from the clipboard-holding cacoon and turns out to be a great QB

tk13 01-08-2007 12:54 AM
Croyle needs to bulk up. He needs to go through a healthy training camp first, take the reps, have the game slow down for him. Even in the little action he got, he made some rookie mistakes. Plus, I like the idea of working rookie QB's in slowly.

I don't think Kurt Warner is a fair comparison to anybody. How many Kurt Warners are there out there? You don't see too many guys walking in off the street at any position and putting up HOF numbers.

FringeNC 01-08-2007 12:56 AM
My hope going into the season was that Mike Solari could be a good care-taker on offense. The Roaf retirement and Green injury screwed up that. Now that we have to teach new players the system -- that's when we are going to miss the expertise of Vermeil and Saunders. Vermeil and Saunders taught the players well. Unfortunately, they're gone, and there is no one left to teach it. All this shit was so predictable, other than the accelerated rebuilding timetable, and that is hardly a shocker.

The offensive minds are gone, and we're screwed.

FringeNC 01-08-2007 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13
How many Kurt Warners are there out there? You don't see too many guys walking in off the street at any position and putting up HOF numbers.

Missing my point. Not saying Croyle can put up HOF numbers. He's no Kurt Warner. My point is that Herm's argument that young players can't pick up this offense is bullshit. Drew Brees was *okay* in it his first year.

The real reason we have to simplify the offense is that no one on our staff is capable of teaching it, along with the fact that Herm thinks playbooks are unnecessay. Solari is capable of running it -- but running it and teaching it are two different things.

Coach 01-08-2007 01:03 AM
Hey Coach Dumbass Edwards, the scheme is not the goddamn problem, the players already know it and set RECORDS WITH IT. Use your goddamn head, if you have one!

Only a f**king moron could take over this team, watch the offense flop, then blame the SYSTEM for it. I mean... the offensive system has always been a problem right?

I now like Herm even less, but so long as it's nothing that's HIS fault... see? It's Vermeil's fault for the system that's to complicated for 11 players who were in the same offense last season. What?!

This clown makes no sense, I'm already tired of him. We need some personell upgrades... change is not always improvement.... in this case it's a way of skirting blame for a piss poor gameplan.

How can they 'keep' a play action passing game that was nearly non existant all this season?!

Halfcan 01-08-2007 01:04 AM
THIS JUST IN:

Herm promises to fix the Royals, Global Warming, and create Peace on Earth.

"Its okaaayyy man, it really is. As we speak these things are being addressed. I promise that things will be okay, it really will okay. When its darkest before the dawn, the silver lining will shine brighter than a bag of...... shiny things and it will be just fine.

beer bacon 01-08-2007 01:19 AM
If Herm wants to have a successful offense he needs to find some tackles that can actually block. It is that simple.

el borracho 01-08-2007 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie007
I say we have Trent Retire. Make him Offensive Coordinator. Trent really couldn't do anything he wanted to do on offense. He made all of those plays when he was hurt and not a one of them used. Bring up Brodie, and let him chuck it.
Herm is pretty clear that Solari will be the O Coordinator. Everyone can stop wishing for a new GM, a new head coach and new coordinators. It is not going to happen.

el borracho 01-08-2007 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBull
I agree. He did the exact same thing when Vermeil was here. Peterson is the kinda GM that'll ride the pines of the coaches.

Every coach we had from Marty, Vermeil, to Herm...Each one of those coaches had specialized on 1 side of the ball, and was lackluster on the other. Peterson of course rode the pine, and didn't support ANY of these coaches for their lack of knowledge on 1 side of the ball. As a result, were always dominating on 1 side of the ball, crap on the other.

Ever notice that with the Chiefs? They either have a good defense or a good offense. It's one or the other. That's why we always been mediocre. It's not a coincedence. It's an imcompetent GM riding the pine of the coaches. And not being able to take control of the team and properly and throughly build it the way a competent GM would.

*But I think its also the organization for being stupid enough to keep him here. Why keep a GM who consistently builds mediocre teams? It tells you something about this organization as a whole in general.
What does "ride the pine" mean?

Eric 01-08-2007 02:18 AM
Really interesting !!!!!!!

Why isn't this in the KC STAR ?


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