He is the lone wideout in 1 of the goal line packages they played on 1 snap today. You run out of goal line packages the vast majority of the time. How many snaps did he get on offense today? 2? 3?

And you trust Carl and Herm to actually fix this?

You can add two corners who, when they are another year older, won't be NFL starting caliber either. I don't think we'll be able to effectively replace 7 starters in one off season.

Not to mention: ? at QB, an aging Donnie Edwards, and a 4th OL, starting DT, MLB and two starting S that are all marginal.

Yes, Herm inherited a mess, but his negative attitude on offense, failure to bring in at least marginal talent to the OL, and over-use of LJ last year have made things a whole lot worse than they had to be. He's on the brink of losing the team this year. I think next year will be worse.

Stop that. Logic will get you nowhere.

True and one would hope....

What gets me, is if Carl is such a great GM, letting Roaf and Shields get old with zero replacements, isnt very good player management...

We can't run. We can't throw. We can't execute trick plays. Is it Herm's "style of offense," or is it the players not being able to execute? I'll leave it to you to decide, but I know where your bias is and what you're going to conclude, anyway.

I do trust Herm, although the criticism that he undervalues O-line is a fair one based on the Jets history. The team needs to be good next year or Herm will definitely be gone. And there's no way the team will be good without a much much better O-line. We'll see.

I don't trust Carl and choose to pretend he's not really there. It helps me stay optimistic.

No..he's the protege of an offensive genius..and should probably be more competent in that department than Herm is, but he's not.

Why? Talent. The Jets don't have it, and we sure as hell don't.

Herm was left with this sh*t when he got here. Roaf bailed. Shields bailed. Herm brought in McIntosh..mistake, playing the wrong position, but still a mistake, and they drafted Niswanger and hauled in Terry. I think the only mistake Herm really made was trusting this line to pull through and be average, so our younger guy could get some experience on a decent line. But they couldn't.

C'mon. He had two seasons to replace just about the greatest O-Line ever assembled. And who the hell else was gonna get the ball last year? Huard to Parker? Huard to Kennison? Huard to Webb?

Tony was our only viable weapon, and LJ had to run, and he wanted to, it was a contract year. He may have been over-used, but last year would have been a 5-11 type year if we hadn't run LJ as much, and CP would have imploded long ago.

I think it is a combination of Herm's style, players not executing and definite lack of talent on the O-Line.

2 are fixable 1 (Herm's style) is not.

Chris Horn.

The fact is we can't block water from running up hill and the NFL these days is set up for offenses to rule. So with no blockers we are a bad football team. I don't see Gonzo as wrong and I don't see Herm wrong either(as far as game straegy is conserned). Herm blew it with our kickers and he blew it with our O line evaluation. That's on him and that's why we can't win. The loses are on him.(period)....

PhilFree:arrow:

Players not executing is just sad. How many times this year have you seen recievers drop dead-on passes? A ton.

Kennison's old ass dropped one in the endzone for crying out loud. It's just pathetic. You can't expect much when Huard is taking the snaps and our line are 6-foot tall 300 lb. marshmallows.

I think Herm is trying to be less conservative just to show it doesn't work still. Don't get me wrong, I think he wants to win, but I'm sure he notices the outcries from players and fans alike, and tried to mix it up the past couple of weeks. And it failed miserably both times. You all asked for it, here it is. It's just as good as being conservative.

We don't possess the talent, toughness, or execution on the offensive side of the ball to put up more than 2 touchdowns a game.

0% chance Ty Law is a Chief next year. I would like to cut Surtain as well. I actually think Benny Sapp can play one corner spot, although I know others disagree. We'll bring in a mid-level free agent and draft a guy on day 1.

The over-use of LJ argument is silly, in my opinion. LT had more touches last year if playoffs are included, I believe. And his injury was a blunt force injury and not a repetitive stress injury. The over-use was a result of Michael Bennett getting hurt and there being no one else on the roster who could carry the ball. As you said, Herm inherited a mess. He got Dee Brown who fumbled something like 2 of the 5 carries he was given.

As far as Herm losing the team, I see no evidence for this whatsoever. Losing in an NFL clubhouse is never easy, but I've seen no quotes - even anonymous ones - from players bashing Herm. Do you have information that I don't?

You're absolutely right. This is as much a personnel issue as it is a coaching issue. The combined efforts of Solari and this mediocre offense (and awful offensive line) are what's killing this team. That's why I place more blame on Carl Peterson and his poor personnel decisions. There was NO reason to promote Solari to offensive coordinator and there was NO reason to attempt to rebuild the offensive line with players like Turley. Furthermore, I do not think Herman Edward's blaring mediocrity with the Jets warranted him a job here in Kansas City.

In short, I place more blame on Carl Peterson for the spot we are in now.