Hey, I can reflect on that game all I want. As long as KU players don't, it doesn't matter. And from the sound of things, they are very excited to be where they are. I admit that KU was obviously not ready for the big time when they played MU. You guys won and that is all that matters in the end. It just really annoys me when MU fans go around holding their crotches and talking like their team is vastly superior. I just don't see it. But I digress. I will stop arguing this now. It really is pointless.

Another reason to stop this arguing is that I like some, not all, of you MU guys. But these threads about KU makes us both seem like douche bags. Perhaps I will think about just ignoring these. Don't know if I have the will power to do that, though. :(

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yeah, you all certainly "rolled" us. what OU did to you is what I would consider "rolling"...you all beat us

if KU MU faced off 10 times, each team would win 5

We perhaps suffer from the actions of each fan bases' extremes.

The last post I will make on the subject, but honestly, truly, nobody may believe me but I don't care what bowl game Kansas goes to. I don't care which one we go to. It's not the national championship so to me they are all pretty much the same.

What sucks about this to me is that it reduces the importance of playing a quality schedule, and rendered the game at Arrowhead meaningless.

The reason good teams don't schedule Florida International etc is because such a schedule, particularly in a year they don't play conference powers, will keep them out of the BCS. But if you can get selected over a team that is ranked higher in every poll and higher in the BCS, then why wouldn't you line up dental schools in the non-con?

Secondly, we all loved the buildup and the battle at Arrowhead. But this rendered that game meaningless. Kansas actually was better off for having lost to Mizzou at Arrowhead, because they didn't get to the conference title game, didn't have to play Oklahoma, and got selected purely on the basis of only having one loss. They got rewarded for losing to their rival, losing late in the season, and losing to the only good team on their schedule.

This is bad for college football. I don't care personally, but it's not good for the integrity of the system.

Only good team on their schedule? They lost to a non-BCS-bowl bound school.

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I agree with virtually all of that.

I'm not mad at KU. I'm mad at the system for the reasons you cite. I want a playoff. Always have, even when MU was going 4-7. I'd like to see both MU and KU in a playoff with a shot at the title. I don't know if my blood pressure could handle them meeting up again, though, with even more on the line. :)

Hey, if I were them, I'd be happy about backing into a prestigious bowl game. I'd buy a t-shirt and everything.

I just think it's disenchanting for fans like those of these two teams, of teams that aren't traditional football powers, that have to earn respect on the field and in the BCS rankings, to have bowl organizers tell you about how none of that stuff matters. What matters is who they think will make them the most money.

I don't mean to offend all of the Missouri people, but there are a few of them that are so ignorant (and they know who they are) that I can't help but go off and ridicule them

I don't mean to be a dick about it, but it's hard not to be when you read some of the dribble that a few of them spit out

And I agree that the system is terribly flawed. MU deserved to play in a BCS bowl, but I as a Jayhawk fan really had nothing to do with them not getting selected. Neither really did my school. The problem is the system and the BCS bowl committee handshakers and fast-talkers

Yep. We're hopelessly idealistic, but I like my college postseason to be about rewarding achievement and determining the best, not making gobs of money (which I think the bowls would make even more of in a playoff, but that's a whole 'nother huge fish to fry).

It's sad, that wanting the system to be fair and unbiased is being hopelessly idealistic.

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That's rich, really it is. Pot meet kettle. It's dicks like you pointing and laughing that got all this crap stirred up again in the first place.

And your school and whatever shady below-board crap they pulled to make this deal happen has everything to do with it. That shitbag AD of yours is every bit the cheating slimeball Shanahan is - perhaps even worse, since even the Rat doesn't have the power to render moot games already won by other teams.

end the the thread with this post, perfect.

The biggest problem here is that everyone has been arguing football when football had very little to do with this decision. The BCS choice here was made for business reasons only.

Missouri can say they got screwed but the truth is that the only thing that screwed Missouri was Missouri. Missouri didn't have to win the game to make the BCS. If Missouri would have only lost by a TD they would have been in. Hell if they would have lost by 2 TDs they probably would have been in. But the fact is, in one of the biggest games in school history, Missouri lost by 3 TDs and the game was effectively over in the 2nd half.

What happens when a team is getting blown out? People turn off their TVs and the money you make from commercials goes down. Truth KU may have gotten blown out by even more versus OU, but they didn't play them. The one game that KU lost they played within one score and the game was still on the line at the end. When the game is still in doubt, people watch. People watch better ratings for late game commercials and the more you can charge for them. How many people were still watching the end of the MU-OU game versus the end of the KU-MU game?

Like it or not the BCS is all about making money. That's why it is what it is and why a playoff system would be worlds better. But as long as the BCS gets to pick who is in what bowl that's going to be the case. Why do you think ILL is playing in the rosebowl? Ratings, you have an eastern and a western team. Why is OU playing WVU and VT playing KU?

Everyone in the Big12 would love the KU OU game, it would be the ultimate what if game. If KU had pulled out the MU game would they have played for the championship. But the KU-OU game is all about regional ratings. When you have KU playing VT you get a midwest and an eastcoast team. More people interested, more ratings. Same for OU-WVU. With OU-KU and WVU-VT, you'll have better stories and better rivalry but ultimately fewer people watching, because they are regional games.

KU is in because the BCS believes they'll get better ratings with them in than not. Missouri is out likely because of the 2nd half ratings of the OU-MU game. It is terrible for football fans, but the sad truth of the business world.

You can't say Missouri got screwed by someone else, because they screwed themselves. You take care of business and put on a good show and you'll make the BCS. Put up a stinker and you're out. Be honest, if you didn't love MU or OU how many of you would have watched the 2nd half of the game? MU put up a ratings debacle in their last game and the BCS likely wouldn't want to risk them doing it again.

It sucks that this is about business but it is and Missouri can't really blame anyone but themselves. If they had kept it close they would have been playing in a BCS game. The 2 loss issue was bogus. This was a business decision through and through.

Seriously, grow up people.

1) Mizzou deserves to be in a BCS bowl over Kansas and Illinois. The Rose Bowl tradition sucks, and the system sucks if what a team does on the field isn't 99% of what gets you into a BCS bowl.

2) Kansas didn't orchestrate anything, so quit bitching. They didn't plan on playing a bunch of chumps so they could get a BCS bowl game. They went this route because you have to START winning before you can have any sort of winning tradition, recruiting success, etc. And who cares of Perkins was on the phone this week. What's Perkins going to do, tell them to take Mizzou? Yeah, no other admin was on the phone this week, either. :rolleyes:

3) If you forgot, some good teams lost to some really bad teams this year. You can't play in a BCS conference and go 11-1 if you suck, and that's what some here are trying to say. It's not like Kansas had 108 years of difficult schedules and things just happened to work out this year. It might have something to do with a little bit of talent. But, if it makes you feel better...

4) As said before me, the system sucks, and letting Kansas in tells teams they can schedule soft teams and get a BCS bowl without even having to worry about winning the conference; which is obviously why they need another system.


Like I said last night, I think the football team will go ahead and show up and play in the Orange Bowl, if that's okay with everyone else involved. It's Kansas' first Orange Bowl in 40 years, which is enough reason to celebrate.

And you know, call me a glass-half-full person, but if Kansas could keep the score fairly close against a team that held the #1 spot in the nation for a week, and maybe if they could keep turnovers and special teams mistakes down to a bare minimum... and maybe, just maybe, in a season where App State and Stanford beat teams once in the top 5.... Nah.