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Rain Man 06-04-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nstygma (Post 5816403)
explain why two identical atomic clocks will not read the exact same time after a year if one is at sea level and the other is elevated, say, in denver.

Because I reset all of the clocks on daylight savings.

notorious 06-04-2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5816471)
Dude. WTF. I know -9.8m/s2. That's pretty basic shit.

Why the **** do you know the speed required to escape earth's gravity?
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It all depends on where/what direction you are launching.

Baby Lee 06-04-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaCenterJunkie (Post 5816467)
Oh and Baby Lee, to answer your question about the Quadratic formula,

The negative answer probably has to do with what direction you are facing. If you are standing at 0 and everything in front of you is a positive direction (in feet) 1 foot, 2 feet, etc. and everything behind you is negative (feet) -1, -2, etc. then the negative answer for that would be how far it goes behind you???

My english isn't very good in the above sentence, hopefully that makes sense and is the correct answer?

Surprisingly close. It's the spot behind you where, if the bullet hadn't been fired from a gun but were simply traveling at the velocity in perpetuity, the bullet would have emerged from the surface of the earth. ie, you exerted a force on the bullet to raise it from the ground to the level it is at when you fire it. That force would take the form of a vertical velocity [that peaked and turned back downwards d/t the counterforce of gravity at the level of the gun barrell] in a perpetual horizontal velocity object.

notorious 06-04-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 5816492)
Because I reset all of the clocks on daylight savings.

Why we still change our clocks for daylight savings time confuses me more then the realtionship between time/space.

Damn Farmers. :)

Baby Lee 06-04-2009 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5816483)
I'm sorry, I'm not seeing it. The bullet is fired tangentially to gravity. It has no vertical momentum away from the Earth's gravitational pull. It will simply continue to orbit at the same height.

It's not moving away from the earth, it's orbiting [the earth is receding from it due to it being a ball and all, but that receding is equalled by the pull of gravity], Of course this would only work this close to the earth in a vacuum as air resistance would slow it pert quick.

Buck 06-04-2009 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5816500)
Surprisingly close. It's the spot behind you where, if the bullet hadn't been fired from a gun but were simply traveling at the velocity in perpetuity, the bullet would have emerged from the surface of the earth. ie, you exerted a force on the bullet to raise it from the ground to the level it is at when you fire it. That force would take the form of a vertical velocity [that peaked and turned back downwards d/t the counterforce of gravity at the level of the gun barrell] in a perpetual horizontal velocity object.

You lost me.

orange 06-04-2009 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5816510)
It's not moving away from the earth, it's orbiting [the earth is receding from it due to it being a ball and all, but that receding is equalled by the pull of gravity], Of course this would only work this close to the earth in a vacuum as air resistance would slow it pert quick.

Its orbit spreads out to a parabola, so in effect it never "returns" to its origin. (looked it up, of course).

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orange 06-04-2009 11:29 AM

Now somebody explain this. Sometimes I'll post a message on this forum, and when it posts - which should refresh the page - it will show my message in position x. Then when I come back - refreshing the page again - it will show the same message in position x + y with new messages that were posted before mine but not shown.

????

Buehler445 06-04-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5816538)
Now somebody explain this. Sometimes I'll post a message on this forum, and when it posts - which should refresh the page - it will show my message in position x. Then when I come back - refreshing the page again - it will show the same message in position x + y with new messages that were posted before mine but not shown.

????

You cheer for the Donkos.
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Buck 06-04-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5816538)
Now somebody explain this. Sometimes I'll post a message on this forum, and when it posts - which should refresh the page - it will show my message in position x. Then when I come back - refreshing the page again - it will show the same message in position x + y with new messages that were posted before mine but not shown.

????

This should clear things up

http://fetchback.typepad.com/.a/6a00...1faa970b-800wi

Baby Lee 06-04-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaCenterJunkie (Post 5816515)
You lost me.

You get that it took a force to get the bullet from the surface of the earth to the place it is in the chamber of the gun propped against your shoulder.

You get that when you fire the gun, the bullet has initally no vertical momentum and a horizontal momentum dictated by the power of the powder. And that immediately thereafter it has a vertical momentum down dictated by gravity.

Now imagine that you were on the ground and tossed a free bullet to exactly the level of the bullet in the gun, whereupon it stop midair for an instant and then would return to earth.

The negative solution represents the place behind you that a bullet with the horizontal momentum equal to that of the gunfired bullet, and a vertical momentum equal to that toss from the ground, would have to be 'tossed' for it to traverse the exact same arc as the fired bullet.

orange 06-04-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaCenterJunkie (Post 5816546)

That did it. It all makes sense now. :bong:

Buck 06-04-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5816560)
You get that it took a force to get the bullet from the surface of the earth to the place it is in the chamber of the gun propped against your shoulder.

You get that when you fire the gun, the bullet has initally no vertical momentum and a horizontal momentum dictated by the power of the powder. And that immediately thereafter it has a vertical momentum down dictated by gravity.

Now imagine that you were on the ground and tossed a free bullet to exactly the level of the bullet in the gun, whereupon it stop midair for an instant and then would return to earth.

The negative solution represents the place behind you that a bullet with the horizontal momentum equal to that of the gunfired bullet, and a vertical momentum equal to that toss from the ground, would have to be 'tossed' for it to traverse the exact same arc as the fired bullet.

Thanks

Fish 06-04-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5816538)
Now somebody explain this. Sometimes I'll post a message on this forum, and when it posts - which should refresh the page - it will show my message in position x. Then when I come back - refreshing the page again - it will show the same message in position x + y with new messages that were posted before mine but not shown.

????

You need the Divide by Zero Firefox plugin....

bdeg 06-04-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5816462)
11.186 km/s. More precisely sqrt(2GM/R), where G-gravity, M-mass, R-radius.

I believe the question was how fast does it need to be fired horizontally to enter orbit(maybe the phrase was 'escape gravity').

now that would be an impressive calculation(with wind resistance please)


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