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Petro ripping the Chiefs... (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=217810)

How about the lame Cassel extravaganza? Yah,producing only during garbage time baby!!!!!!

God damn, now it's Clark's fault for taking too long to hire Pioli.

ROFL

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6247532)

Classic Millionaire hatred. They make tons of money so they deserve to be treated like children. If they want to make that much money, they should do whatever coach says.

Yeah right. Money does not justify or excuse disrespect. I don't understand why some people don't get that. You can't treat a professional sports team like a bunch of junior high kids.

It also doesn't justify entitlement or the "you better kiss my ass" attitude it seems so many of these players have.
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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6247627)

In this statement,are you referring to when he coached the kcchiefs?

Cause that could easily be argued. He never changed his mentality on how he dealt with others throughout his career and thats part of the reason he was successful. It's part of the reason he won a bowl imo.

the team he built in kansas city was old, he built a veteran team.

sooner or later the guys he added on the roster needed to be replaced. Thats the nature of football, old players need to be replaced with younger players..out with the old and in with the new..Had he constructed a roster that was young, and took the time to nuture the players, and treat them with decency and respect, and develop and coach the young players along the way, the Chiefs would be in a totally different situation today.

*I see what you are saying in your last paragraph, and I want to elaborate, as a coach it's okay to be soft, but not too soft..Its okay to be tough as well, but not too tough...You just have know how to treat players according to the way they behave in particular circumstances or situations..And Vermeil did struggle with that at times. But he represents a classic example of how love and respect is a lot more powerful compared to being a prick and disrespectful.

Its better to be loving and respectful then to be a prick and disrespectful. Not everyone will respond well to a prick that is disrespectful. i think people respond better to someone who is more loving and respectful.

I am refering to his tenure as head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. His love of Dante Hall is well known. I think Dante is now pressing grapes for Dick and Carol. And then there's Greg Wesley. Wasn't he the one that Vermiel loved even though he couldn't turn his head? Let us not forget the presser when Greg Robinson was fired, that was a freaking drama. I am sure there's many more.

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6247643)

He did change his mentality when he was with the Rams. He had a near-mutiny on his hands.

He never changed his loving and respectful personality he had towards his players, that is my point. What was missing from him prior to joining the Rams was his inability to dish out tough love to his players. And he did toughen up a bit when he was with the Rams but not to the point where he was indecent or disrespectful to his players.

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 6247653)

It also doesn't justify entitlement or the "you better kiss my ass" attitude it seems so many of these players have.
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What are you talking about? Who told the coach he better kiss their ass?

My God, now Piloi and Haley are at fault because we don't have a 10-6 team coming off a 2-14 season with "a whole draft" to fix things.

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Originally Posted by MichaelH (Post 6247654)

I am refering to his tenure as head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. His love of Dante Hall is well known. I think Dante is now pressing grapes for Dick and Carol. And then there's Greg Wesley. Wasn't he the one that Vermiel loved even though he couldn't turn his head? Let us not forget the presser when Greg Robinson was fired, that was a freaking drama. I am sure there's many more.

And his love for Dante brought out the best in him. Because Dante Hall was nothing before Vermeil came. He was a 5th rounder, who originally was a RB and Vermeil nurtured him, and developed him into a star returner. It was a classic example of him making the best out of what the Chiefs had at the time.

If Vermeil had a glaring weakness it was his lack of knowledge on the defensive side of the ball. Pretty much explains why the defense and the rest of the players in it were not so good.

*Dick Vermeil was classic. I love a coach with emotion, how can one not? I don't look at it as drama, he was human and wasn't afraid to express his feelings. He wasn't afraid to wear his emotions on his sleeve.

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6247231)

Bitching about the TG trade and hwo he was treated
Bitching about Pollard and how he was treated
Bitching about Waters and how he was treated
Bitching about DJ and how he is treated
Bitching about Bowe being benched

ROFL

Petro is on overload...."this team attacks every talented player they have"....

TG wanted out.

Pollard was never consistant, and missed more than he hit.

Waters isn't used to not being in the "o'le boys network" and is getting old

DJ has never ever lived up to his hype or potential.

As for Bowe, so many around here would love to have his ball sack draped over their chin, and I don't get it. He is average to poor at best because he refuses to catch the easy balls. Pretty much worthless as a WR if you won't catch the damn ball.

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6247647)

God damn, now it's Clark's fault for taking too long to hire Pioli.

ROFL

I actually agree with that.

If they wouldn't have waited so long Pioli probably would have hired McDaniels instead of Haley.

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6247246)

TG wanted out last year, before Pioli and Haley ever were though of
Pollard...no big loss
Waters....overrated cry baby
DJ? Maybe an argument there
Bowe...needed to happen and has paid off
LJ? How can you defend him?

Becomes a big loss when the alternative is Brown.

How in the world has it paid off? What? He has not progressed.

To say that being hard on Bowe has not paid off is not necessarily correct. Perhaps Haley refuses to tailor his offense to hide Bowe's refusal to run precise routes. There has been no pay-off in going to a sophisticated offense (yet?), but should we always run a simplified offense because our WRs refuse to put in the time learning the routes?

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6247275)

They are running out the guys who eitehr don't want to be here or don't want to play under the new rules. Nothing new about that. We have lost 1 person worth a shit, TG, and he didn't want to be here anyway.

We're in agreement here.

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6247280)

Why wouldn' you expect that? Pertro can whine all he wants about talent being ran off, the fact is this team sucked the last couple years and a lot of the players he is crying about are to blame for it.

Agreed. I'm still suprised at the number of people that find this season or anything the Chiefs have done this year rather, much of a suprise. It was always going to get worse before it got better. Fact is I welcome the changes that are happening, and only time will tell if any of it pays off. Give it another year or two folks.

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 6247306)

How was TG treated badly? Uh he wasn't...Pioli and co accomodated him and traded him to a contender.

Pollard popped off first, acted like a total douchebag...that's why he was gone.

Waters got his feelings hurt by Haley and ran to his boy Whitlock with stuff that should've been private so he could put it out there. I have ZERO sympathy for him.

DJ whined and complained publicly, again that's on him.

I really fail to see how the Chiefs players are being treated soooooo badly.

Petro's whining is a joke.
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You are correct, and summed things up nicely I might add.

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6247353)

You aren't going to inside of a year. I been saying that since day 1. This team was THAT BAD. I have seen some improvment in some areas and some regression in others.

Our special teams is a hell of a lot better. We are like #2 or #3 on coverage. Our FG kicker is awesome. Both HUGE HUGE improvments over the past 3 years.

Our WR corps is better, still needs improvment but we have improved talent wise. I like Long. I know it is fad to bash him but the kid is playing and catching pretty much whatever is thrown to him. Chambers was a good pick up.

Our running game improved yesterday without LJ. It was a pleasant yet expected result.

We still need help on both lines and at the S position. But we aren't going to fix everything all at once. As much as I am sure we wish we could.

I'm with ya on this one. Glad someone else also sees that this team isn't going to get a ton better this season. It's just not an overnight process. Or even an over one season type of process. Anyone who didn't see this is a fool. Now if things arent at the very least starting to get better by this time next year, I'll be a bit more worried. But am I worried just yet.....nope. They haven't had enough time to fix all of the things that were wrong with this franchise. LJ being cut today was a damn good start though far as I can tell.

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 6247427)

I think part of Petro's rant is nothing more than frustration at seeing guys who should have been making plays for us get cut then go make plays, or look like competent players, for other teams.

Now this part of the argument Petro's making I can at least understand to a certain extent.

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Originally Posted by Zman (Post 6247499)

You are so correct. Let them have a chance, everybody is so used to us spoiling these players its so nice to have people in charge who don't care if you like them or not, they just want to win!

I concur.

Yea, **** accountability, Petro, it's all the player's feelings. What a chump.

Petro's been brainswahsed after years of rooting for a particular player around these parts, instead of demanding a Super Bowl.

when he favorite players feelings get hurt, he acts like his favorite contestant on "Survivor" got voted off or something.

As Vermeil used to say "The Main thing, is the Main Thing".
Petro should remember that.