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NewChief 03-11-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6595501)
Huh? Did you quote the wrong post or am I missing something?

I quoted the wrong post. I'm full of FAIL today.

patteeu 03-11-2010 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6595513)
I quoted the wrong post. I'm full of FAIL today.

LMAO OK, I get you.

WilliamTheIrish 03-11-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 13and3 (Post 6595248)
I hate to play the race card here, but let me call it like I see it. I play tennis, I play racquetball, I bowl, I play handball. But damn it I refuse to play basketball. What does that have to do with anything? It seems that the only time local black youth are celebrated or thought of as valuable or worthwhile is when they are on a basketball court at KU OR MU. **** that. Here they are on the court spending valuable time practicing for a fan they have nothing in common with. A fan that does not want to have anything to do with the neighborhood, the school district, or friends they grew up with. For what, a bubble gum degree in psychology, sports training, business, communication? The main reason they are there isn't about education, it about entertainment of alumni and wanna be alumni. Most of which are middle class whites. Most of those black kids are of average intelligence at best, and they don't even have the time or energy left after sports to pursue a worthwhile degree. Just another microcosm of what is at the heart of the problem of inner-city schools in this area and across the country. Whites value worth wile educations and endeavors and are encouraged to do so. Blacks on the other hand are handed a basketball

I don't think it's the race card you're playing. I agree with you. Those players should be getting paid. Straight out. There will be those that tell you a "They get a schollie and the perks..." which is only so much horseshit. What good does a Communications/General Studies degree do a player who isn't NBA talent? None.
It's why the NBA shouldn't hold 18 year olds to an age requirement. The best players don't want to be there and if they weren't playing x-sport, they wouldn't be anywhere near a university.

13and3 03-11-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 6595485)
I agree with you that, as a parent, you should counsel them that the odds of making millions in the NBA are far greater than if they were to study hard, get an academic scholarship, degree, so on...

My point is though...for many kids (inner-city or not)....an athletic scholarship may be the only way they get a degree.

And trust me...whatever the major may be....those that have a degree versus those who dont have a degree....find a heck of a lot less "closed doors" when it comes to the job hunt.

I submit to you that some of the reason for success in a suburban environment is the realistic approach taken to education. The risk/reward ratio of spending time studying, spending money funding good education and programs is recognized and appreciated more.
Like I said before if you could take all that time on the basketball court and transfer it to studying, reading, playing chess, learning other languages, success and scholarships would not only be more easy to come by but also maintain. A student athlete must balance time and effort between academics and athletics to keep their scholarship. The student on academic scholarship must only maintain their grades, which is the primary reason they are there in the first place.

gblowfish 03-11-2010 11:50 AM

One of America's worst (if not THE worst) school district. Mis-managed, corrupt, nepotism, wasteful, political soapboxing, just awful. And they've burned through more money than Anna Nicole Smith.

13and3 03-11-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6595493)
Why do you blame the universities or the alumni or white people or whoever it is you're blaming instead of the individuals who choose to get these lame degrees? Why didn't these mysterious, outside pressures-to-fail work their insidious magic on you?

My role models have always been men of substance not people in entertainment. So, when the crowd goes one way, I try to go another.

Valiant 03-11-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3 (Post 6595363)
Enrollment is down because kids are dropping out!!!

17k kids dropped out??

bowener 03-11-2010 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6595531)
I don't think it's the race card you're playing. I agree with you. Those players should be getting paid. Straight out. There will be those that tell you a "They get a schollie and the perks..." which is only so much horseshit. What good does a Communications/General Studies degree do a player who isn't NBA talent? None.
It's why the NBA shouldn't hold 18 year olds to an age requirement. The best players don't want to be there and if they weren't playing x-sport, they wouldn't be anywhere near a university.

I just finished the book Backboards and Blackboards, I suggest everyone read it. An interesting note to add for any MU alum or fans, the coach of the college program studied in the book, Toledo, was the coach and is the mentor of MU's current basketball coach.

Anyway, the book basically spells out how these college basketball recruits are ****ed over by the schools their entire life. They play 3 roles, student, social, and athlete, with the latter being the one that they MUST perform best at or else they lose the student role (and basically the social role as well since they won't be BMOC anymore).

They have little to no choice in their courses and what they will actually major in. They were passed through middle and high schools without ever really being taught so that they could spend more time playing basketball and making people money than studying or learning to read beyond a 4th grade level.

A lot of these kids have little choice in the matter since private schools will pay their tuition to go to their 'great' school and waive any fees necessary, as well as help the parents make ends meet sometimes (also true for some public schools as well).

In the end these kids are nothing more than a product for schools to make money off of. They ultimately don't end up making it to the NBA as promised, and are left holding (if lucky) worthless degrees while being unable to read at a satisfactory level.

13and3 03-11-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 6595649)
17k kids dropped out??

No lie, in 1990 at southwest highschool we started with a class of over 800, we graduated in 1994 a class of 117.

13and3 03-11-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 6595649)
17k kids dropped out??

http://www.dotherightthingforkids.org/our-kcmsd/

Highest Dropout Rate in the Area (It Costs Taxpayers Millions)

Kansas City, Missouri School District (KCMSD) has the high*est dropout rate among area school dis*tricts. Only 53.3% of stu*dents enrolled in the KCMSD as fresh*men grad*u*ated as seniors, accord*ing to an April 2009 study funded by America’s Promise Alliance and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Dylan 03-11-2010 12:57 PM

the state senators do not support O_B_A_M_A_?

where's your pork?



ya could've had all that and more




however, in the long run, socialism ain't worth it!

let the ripping begin.... LMAO

WilliamTheIrish 03-11-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6595688)
I just finished the book Backboards and Blackboards, I suggest everyone read it. An interesting note to add for any MU alum or fans, the coach of the college program studied in the book, Toledo, was the coach and is the mentor of MU's current basketball coach.

Anyway, the book basically spells out how these college basketball recruits are ****ed over by the schools their entire life. They play 3 roles, student, social, and athlete, with the latter being the one that they MUST perform best at or else they lose the student role (and basically the social role as well since they won't be BMOC anymore).

They have little to no choice in their courses and what they will actually major in. They were passed through middle and high schools without ever really being taught so that they could spend more time playing basketball and making people money than studying or learning to read beyond a 4th grade level.

A lot of these kids have little choice in the matter since private schools will pay their tuition to go to their 'great' school and waive any fees necessary, as well as help the parents make ends meet sometimes (also true for some public schools as well).

In the end these kids are nothing more than a product for schools to make money off of. They ultimately don't end up making it to the NBA as promised, and are left holding (if lucky) worthless degrees while being unable to read at a satisfactory level.

I'll D/L that up on the B&N nook. Another very good compilation about the corruption that is the NCAA is documented in Michener's book Sports In America.

Titty Meat 03-11-2010 01:46 PM

The funny thing about this is I pointed out how the Sprint Center and P&NL is a total waste of money while the school system crumbles and ****tards on here totally look over it. Great Job Kansas City!

bobbymitch 03-11-2010 02:46 PM

The KC school district has been failing for decades. They couldn't ever get a bond issue passed and then when the Springfield judge tried to integrate the schools by setting up magnets just pushed it downhill even further. Ya got a school board micromanaging everything and kids being bussed every which direction as there were no more neighborhood schools. The district was paying the local cab company to pick up students to go to and from school.

The billions of dollars spent to build new schools and renovate others was a total fiasco. In one school, the replacement windows were actually aluminum storm windows and they didn't fit. Buildings that were falling apart, bricks falling off, and steps sinking, etc.

The maintenance department was so inept, they left roofs leaking which caused mold to build up in class rooms. I ran across exposed live wires in hallways, missing handrails, numerous fire hazards, and fire doors that couldn't close.

One thing that needs to happen, and is beyond the districts control, is parental involvement. Until that happens, the district test scores don't stand a chance of improving. They also need to get back to teaching the basics.

One reason why we never considered ever moving back to KC proper was the lack of decent schools. I went through the KC school system through my freshman year at the old Paseo High ('60 - '61). When we moved to Shawnee and attended Shawnee Mission North, I was about a year behind everyone else.

Dartgod 03-11-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6595992)
The funny thing about this is I pointed out how the Sprint Center and P&NL is a total waste of money while the school system crumbles and ****tards on here totally look over it. Great Job Kansas City!

So they were supposed to spend more money on the schools?


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