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Hammock Parties 07-23-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6895435)
That reminds me, I wonder if Carr is the next to go.

Why would Carr be the next to go?

He's played at a level far exceeding anything Pollard ever did.

BigMeatballDave 07-23-2010 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6895419)
Or we could have had both.

I think Berry has more potential at FS than he does at SS - though I think he'll be pretty ****ing solid at either.

I appreciate your takes, I think they're solid. However, I think your judgment on this one is clouded due to your hatred of Pioli. Pollard was clearly awful last preseason.

OnTheWarpath15 07-23-2010 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6895448)
Why would Carr be the next to go?

He's played at a level far exceeding anything Pollard ever did.

I'm a huge fan of Carr's potential, but I don't agree that he's been that good.

He's a high round, Herm Edwards pick.

All of those guys should be on notice after what happened to Pollard.

Pollard had just as much potential as Carr, provided he was used correctly. Shockingly, he proved that last year in Houston.

Sadly, the executive of the decade didn't care that he was being used incorrectly.

BossChief 07-23-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6895435)
That reminds me, I wonder if Carr is the next to go.

not a chance, they love him. The only way he isnt a Chief for a long time is if we have to give Flowers a huge deal (in a couple years) and we are forced to trade Carr cause he wants too much and we cant give out 2 top ten contracts for CBs. His work ethic is outstanding and the kid is very well grounded.

RedThat 07-23-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6895435)
That reminds me, I wonder if Carr is the next to go.

I don't think he is that bad. Yeah he was inconsistent at times last season. I blame the passrush for the most part.

When the QB has all day to throw he is going to pick on the worst cover guy. Unfortunately, that was Carr. But, I feel if the Chiefs had a good passrush, he woulldn't be as much of a liability. He did provide good coverage at times, and at other times no so much. Kinda spells average imo.

In other words, Carr without passrush=average corner
Carr with a passrush=potential solid cover corner jmo

BossChief 07-23-2010 07:53 PM

Did you know:

that Brandon Carr was drafted as a "birthday present" for Herm Edwards.

Hammock Parties 07-23-2010 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6895454)
I'm a huge fan of Carr's potential, but I don't agree that he's been that good.

He's a high round, Herm Edwards pick.

All of those guys should be on notice after what happened to Pollard.

I think you are showing an incredible bias against Pioli and using Pollard as a crutch.

Carr had as many passes defensed as Flowers last year. 24th rated corner in the league.

If he was bad as Pollard was prior to getting cut, we're talking William Bartee level failure.

Carr has been AT LEAST average, and last year he made significant strides. He's definitely an ASCENDING player. Pollard never was in KC.

OnTheWarpath15 07-23-2010 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 6895453)
I appreciate your takes, I think they're solid. However, I think your judgment on this one is clouded due to your hatred of Pioli. Pollard was clearly awful last preseason.

Big ****ing deal.

Again, he was a two year starter. If you guy held all players in the league to the standard you're holding Pollard to, there wouldn't BE a league.

Most players, regardless of position, (RB being questionable in this scenario) don't prosper in their first two years.

Or if they do, they regress at some point - usually their 2nd or 3rd season.

BigMeatballDave 07-23-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6895461)
I think you are showing an incredible bias against Pioli and using Pollard as a crutch.

This x eleventy billion

OnTheWarpath15 07-23-2010 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6895461)
I think you are showing an incredible bias against Pioli and using Pollard as a crutch.

Carr had as many passes defensed as Flowers last year. 24th rated corner in the league.

If he was bad as Pollard was prior to getting cut, we're talking William Bartee level failure.

Carr has been AT LEAST average, and last year he made significant strides. He's definitely an ASCENDING player. Pollard never was in KC.

Carr had that many passes defensed because teams rather not throw at Flowers.

I don't know how to make it any clearer: you can't expect a player to be a plus player after two years starting.

You have to rely on your scouting and coaching that the kid becomes what you thought he'd be.

Pioli didn't draft him, and IMO, didn't do his homework before cutting him.

Pollard's performance in Houston bears this out.

BigMeatballDave 07-23-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6895463)
Big ****ing deal.

Again, he was a two year starter. If you guy held all players in the league to the standard you're holding Pollard to, there wouldn't BE a league.

Most players, regardless of position, (RB being questionable in this scenario) don't prosper in their first two years.

Or if they do, they regress at some point - usually their 2nd or 3rd season.

So, Pollard made mistakes and gets cut. You defend him by saying he deserved more time. Pioli makes mistakes in his 1st season here and you hate him with the power of a thousand Suns. Hmmm...:)

Hammock Parties 07-23-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6895468)
Carr had that many passes defensed because teams rather not throw at Flowers.

I don't know how to make it any clearer: you can't expect a player to be a plus player after two years starting.

Actually they had a similar number of targets. In fact, Flowers was targeted more.

I also think there's a huge difference between being a plus player and being one the worst in your league at your position.

I never expected Pollard to be Steve Atwater. But making some progress towards Reggie Tongue would have been nice.

BossChief 07-23-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6895461)

If he was bad as Pollard was prior to getting cut, we're talking William Bartee level failure.

Carr has been AT LEAST average, and last year he made significant strides. He's definitely an ASCENDING player. Pollard never was in KC.

talent evaluation fail

Bartee should have never been a corner and Pollard should have never been a cover two safety.

Let me ask you this:

If you were the coach and you put Dexter McCluster at fullback, would that be a knock on Dexter or you when it fails?

Hammock Parties 07-23-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 6895472)
So, Pollard made mistakes and gets cut. You defend him by saying he deserved more time. Pioli makes mistakes in his 1st season here and you hate him with the power of a thousand Suns. Hmmm...:)

Here, let me insert the "GM of the decade" response.

OnTheWarpath15 07-23-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 6895467)
This x eleventy billion

Time will tell.

When players like Cassel, Jackson, McGee, McCluster, Arenas, etc get more than two years to prove themselves, we can revisit this.

Forgive me for seeing through this regime's bullshit.

They claim they have no sacred cows, yet players like Mike Goff, Larry Johnson and Mike Brown started last year, even though there were better options on the roster.

So either they are full of shit, or they really don't have any sacred cows, they just can't evaluate talent.

I hope the addition of Weis and Crennel changes things in this regard.


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