Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 7542284)

You make some great points. My question is how does this differ from Alnorth's comparison of security at an airport. Can Airport security not be inaccurate? Can missing a flight not result in just as dire consequences as being kept from driving your car?

Doing zero fact checking, I am fairly sure that the number of drunk driving related deaths in the US greatly outweigh the number of airplane terrorist related deaths in the US. Is it the frequency with which we will be inconvenienced (and subsequently "sentenced") that is the issue?

I know it is for me. As I said, I wouldn't support the idea. I just don't know that it's anymore constitutionally invasive than measures that currently exist. Between inconvenience and cost, I don't think it would be worth it. There are plenty of safety measures that aren't implemented because they just aren't feasible, even if they are noble. That's how I feel about this one. Still, waving the constitution around over it seems a little dramatic.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 7541867)

Would you support mandatory ignition interlock systems on all cars?

Originally Posted by shirtsleeve (Post 7542097)

Its time we all wake up and understand the government cannot, now nor it ever could, regulate or mandate a safer society. Or a healthy society. Or a moral society. This false thinking needs to stop. NOW.

What I mean, if you read my three posts here is that people who are drunk and have to drive will find a way. A friend. A pump. A CO2 cartridge device. They will find a way.

In the mean time, the rest of us will pay higher taxes to regulate this failure. We will pay huge costs in legal cases against the govt. We will be forced to be treated like the bad guys and blow into the straw to start the car, when the drunks would never do that. They would know better.

We would pay and suffer, and the bad guys would not be affected.

"Government can not solve our problems. Government is our problem"

Ronald Reagan.

Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 7542403)

I might if they also added a sleep deprivation test, age test, prescription drug test, illegal drug test, anger assessment test, cell phone in the off position test, no eating while driving test, no make up application test, and NFL team loyalty test before you could start a car.

Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 7542653)

No. Unless they up the limit a lot. One to two beers puts you over the .08 on the majority of people. Trust me it is not as big problem as exagerated. If you added up all the lives lost by statistics in this country we would not have any population by their numbers.

Shit, you will have an 85yo oldman drink one beer, smoked in his younger days, not wear his seatbelt and go have a heart attack on the road and his death will get credited to drinking and smoking by the statistics.Would rather they do away the ba test and just do sobriety test. Cops should know better as they drive drunk more then regular citizens.

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 7542055)

no, .08 is like 1 beer.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 7542367)

OK, poorly worded late at night. There is NOT a causal relationship between driving drunk and swerving into the other lane nor is there a causal relationship between driving drunk and running into the back of someone. There is, however, a strong correlation between those activities: People who drive drunk tend to swerve; people who do drive drunk tend to have slower reflexes. Better?

Your argument regarding seat belts and helmets still don't apply to anything.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7542081)

People are always willing to justify the sacrificing of freedoms instead of accepting that freedoms can come with a price. We were having the same sort of back and forth about helmet and seat belt laws in the Vrabel thread.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 7542607)

Hell no, I don't want to pay for that shit. The pendulum has to start swinging back the other direction in what has become our ridiculously over the top safety first society.