The last decade we had good linebackers and Solid D-line man. Not enough talent for 3-4 this year. The D-Line needs more push. Gregg is creating an amazing pocket by falling on his ass every play.

Coordinating an offense for half a year is not a strong track record.

I'm far more pissed off at Pioli than Haley too, but I think you're building him up as though he was an assistant on par with Charlie Weis when he left New England or Mike Martz in St. Louis.

Of course, regardless of where you come from, the decision to hire Haley was also done by Pioli, who really appears to be nothing other than a mindless automaton.

Our offense is antiquated too! Haley wants to be the '86 Giants or something. :headshake:

Matt Cassel

It's enough to suggest he knows what he's doing. Nobody's saying he's an offensive guru, nor does he have to be. It's not like he walked in with any more or less experience than Gruden, Tomlin, John Harbaugh, and several other successful coaches have. You may point to Haley's arguments with Boldin and Warner, but again... how can you dispute the claim that Keyshawn, Warner, and Fitzgerald seem to have had a tremendous relationship with Haley even to this day. Or the fact that lots of guys from Arizona have followed him to KC. We're not even talking about typical player-speak. We're talking about how Keyshawn won't shut up about Haley, or how Haley/Warner seem to be best friends to this day.

So I don't understand what your argument is against the Haley hire. I don't know how anyone can act like it was a blind tree hire. He was a young up and coming coordinator, which we all wanted. He was well respected with his players. He was a tough disciplinarian this team sorely need. And at the time, he ran a very successful, innovative offense. I don't know how anyone could possibly say he was a bad hire.

And in the process, this team is a shitload more disciplined than they were three years ago. He's gotten max production out of Hali, DJ, and Bowe. Etc... Who's really to blame here? How many coaches would have won with Matt Cassel and the patchwork starting lineup Pioli gave him? How many coaches wouldn't lose their team after losing players like Charles, Berry, and Moeaki? Haley's made mistakes, but I still believe the good far outweighs the bad.

I was watching this game at BWW and I walked to the manger and had him change the channel I couldn't it any more.

What'd be nice is if we could get a D-Coord. who is innovative enough to run a hybrid D that could line up in 3-4 and 4-3 and 3-3-5 and any other package depending upon what the game plan and personnel dictates.

Someone made a comment about haley not being able to keep his nose out of the offense...he's the head coach with an offensive coordinator background...why would he keep his nose out? Makes no sense...he should be calling the damn plays if you ask me.

Yep. They totally blew it with the offseason decisions regarding the D-line. But hey, I'll shut up because the "coaches always know more."

Other than the offense, defense, field goal and punt team I thought things went well. Looks like the punt return team is well rested for next week too. Bonus!

I am still here Drippy Dick... Just havent had time to respond yet...

I agree.

I don't think that's where Todd Haley has failed. He's failed at being able to get along with any other offensive mind. And he ran from the responsibility of play calling when he named Bill Muhr the play caller at the start of the season... I can only assume he's since pulled those duties or will do so soon if he hasn't already.

There's just more change.

1) Lots of guys from nearly any place a coach has been before will follow him elsewhere because coaches are generally more apt to go after players they know. I can't think of a better endorsement than Monty Beisel, Leonard Pope, and Lance Long following a coach to a new city. Of course they'd follow him there, they need every advantage they can to make a roster.

2) There was nothing innovative about the offense that he ran in Arizona, other than how terrible the running game was. You're trying to pawn him off like he's Mike Martz or Don Coryell, and that's completely disingenuous.

3) No one knew the name Todd Haley until January 2009, and then they knew it for those sideline blowups. Sure, he met a lot of things on a check-off list: coordinator, disciplinarian, etc., but being a good coach is not a compilation of check off boxes. To be a good coach you have to be willing to delegate and trust your assistants, and make sane decisions, and I think it's pretty clear that he can't do that. That's not just a function of who calls plays, either.

4) I forgot another reason why people would have known Haley's name: his wife found a rat in a salad.

5) I'll reiterate: everyone likes a tough guy when they win, but a hard-driving maniac can really wear players out whenever things aren't going well.

Then man the **** up and call the ****ing plays. Quit hiring a new offensive coordinator every offseason and then getting rid of him because you don't get along.

If you're going to hire an offensive coordinator....let him do his ****ing job.

That's what I meant.

Your referral to the Reno Air Show is as tasteless as the stupidity of your analysis. . .