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aturnis 12-12-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197739)
So you think if we just got a NT Jackson and Dorsey would be pressuring the QB more?

Laughable isn't it?

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197736)
Not always.

You don't expect your 3-4 ends in this kind of defense to provide much of a pass rush.

Dorsey and Jackson aren't doing it in ANY defensive scheme so switching to a 4-3 is a horrible idea.

Dorsey and Jackson both came from 4-3 defenses where they were good.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197679)
how many passing yards have we given up to no-name TE's this year? You ****ing idiot.

And it's all Belcher's fault? No ****ing way.

I want to hear the 4-3 argument that isn't based around the fraudulent notion that Dorsey and Jackson can play DT in that scheme. LMAO

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197749)
Dorsey and Jackson both came from 4-3 defenses where they were good.

Yeah, I don't really care. Jackson played DE in college. Nobody with any modicum of football sense has that guy playing 4-3 DE in KC.

petegz28 12-12-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197751)
And it's all Belcher's fault? No ****ing way.

I want to hear the 4-3 argument that isn't based around the fraudulent notion that Dorsey and Jackson can play DT in that scheme. LMAO

What position did they play in college?

ChiefsCountry 12-12-2011 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197751)
And it's all Belcher's fault? No ****ing way.

I want to hear the 4-3 argument that isn't based around the fraudulent notion that Dorsey and Jackson can play DT in that scheme. LMAO

Dorsey can be a 4-3 DT. Jackson can't.

CoMoChief 12-12-2011 08:00 PM

Well there are many things the chiefs need to do to right the ship

1. Get a good experienced HC....someone who knows how to treat its players and knows how to operate a team and prepare for Sundays.

2. Get healthy

3. QB (get a good backup too, Orton prob won't be here next season)

4. OL + depth

5. DL + depth

6. Safety depth

CUTS: Richardson, Jereme Urban, McGraw, Piscatelli, OConnell, Pope, Cassel, Palko, Weigman, Greenwood, Langford, D.Williams

O.city 12-12-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197739)
So you think if we just got a NT Jackson and Dorsey would be pressuring the QB more?

Theoretically yes.


I actually think if Jackson continues to develop on this course he could be a 3 or 4 sack a year guy. Maybe less maybe more.


The key to this defense is having a solid run stuffing NT.

I'm more concerned that our GM of the century hasn't figured that out yet.

petegz28 12-12-2011 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197754)
Yeah, I don't really care. Jackson played DE in college. Nobody with any modicum of football sense has that guy playing 4-3 DE in KC.

Obviously because he is doing such a stellar job in the 3-4.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 08:02 PM

Seriously, you want to play two 300-pounders at DT in a 4-3.

With Hali and Houston at end.

Way to set the defense back three years.

petegz28 12-12-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8197759)
Theoretically yes.


I actually think if Jackson continues to develop on this course he could be a 3 or 4 sack a year guy. Maybe less maybe more.


The key to this defense is having a solid run stuffing NT.

I'm more concerned that our GM of the century hasn't figured that out yet.

I agree a good NT will make the entire Dline better., I still think Dorsey has more potential than Jackson at making the switch to a 3-4. Jackson gets his shit stuffed too much for me. Maybe we are starting to see signs and maybe you are right. I hope so beause I don't see them replacing him anytime soon.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197762)
Obviously because he is doing such a stellar job in the 3-4.

He's been a rock against the run. He's doing a good job.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-12-2011 08:03 PM

Jackson is a left in a 4-3, and a two-down player at that. Basically, exactly what he is in this scheme. I don't think that talent evaluators were wrong when they said that Dorsey could play the three technique, but when your job is to occupy and scrape, you aren't going to be shooting gaps.

I still think that this team would do well to be a little more exotic in passing situations. Move Dorsey and Gilberry inside, and rush Houston and Hali off the edges.

petegz28 12-12-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 8197758)
Well there are many things the chiefs need to do to right the ship

1. Get a good experienced HC....someone who knows how to treat its players and knows how to operate a team and prepare for Sundays.

2. Get healthy

3. QB (get a good backup too, Orton prob won't be here next season)

4. OL + depth

5. DL + depth

6. Safety depth

CUTS: Richardson, Jereme Urban, McGraw, Piscatelli, OConnell, Pope, Cassel, Palko, Weigman, Greenwood, Langford, D.Williams

I'd keep McGraw simply for depth. Not the ideal starter but good on special teams and a decent reserve for the money.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 08:04 PM

Jackson's run defense is rated higher than Brett Keisel's, but you think he gets pushed around a lot.

Uh, no.


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