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Chiefnj2 01-16-2012 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8302017)
The Giants secondary has been up and down all season. They just hit an up swing at the exact right time.
It was down because of massive injuries.

htismaqe 01-16-2012 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8302029)
It was down because of massive injuries.
That's some of it, yes. Just saying Guinta isn't a miracle worker.

Of course, he's not a goat either.

There's a reason I have that line in my sig.

Dylan 01-16-2012 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8301891)
Eli Manning has played well this season. But he's not "elite". He won a Super Bowl because he is the luckiest mother****er in football and had a Hail Mary bounce off his receiver's head and get caught. Being lucky doesn't make you elite. Is he efficient? Sometimes. Is he clutch? Sometimes. Is he elite? No. "Elite" to me are guys who are Canton-bound who can take over a game by themselves and win it for you. "Elite" is the trio of BRB (Brees Rodgers Brady).

Eli was 7th in QB rating this season (under those three and Romo, Stafford, and Schaub). He was 5th in YPG (under the Trio, and Stafford). He was 14th in completion percentage. He was 5th in YPA (under Rodgers, Brady, Schaub, and Palmer).

He is what he is: a good QB who can sometimes be very good, and sometimes not be very good, and is solidly in that second-tier. Sometimes he rises to the top, sometimes he doesn't. Enough to win a Super Bowl? Sure. But "elite"? No.
I don't read you much. The reason: Your posts are not worthy of my time.

However, you wouldn't know 'elite' if it smacked you in your face.

Football 101: Quarterback stats are useless.

tk13 01-16-2012 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8301928)
Remember when everyone in KC hated Peter Guinta? He's doing a good job with NYG's secondary.
He was their secondary coach when they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl too. It's funny how those things work. Colts fans hated DC Vic Fangio, and he really wasn't very successful... he failed in Indy, didn't do very well in Houston either... really hadn't done anything of note in almost 15 years. Now he's coordinating the Niners defense, and in one season they look really nasty, top 5 in several defensive categories, and probably had some of the best run defense numbers in recent NFL history.

Chiefnj2 01-16-2012 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8302547)
He was their secondary coach when they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl too. It's funny how those things work.
That's why I'm finding it hard to get excited or mad about any of the OC or DC choices. Past success/failure isn't indicative of what will happen.

sedated 01-16-2012 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8300441)
I see it as..

Defensive teams:
Denver 1-1
Steelers 0-1
Niners 1-0
Baltimore 1-0
Giants 2-0

Offensive teams:
NO 1-1
Detroit 0-1
NE 1-0
Falcons 0-1
Bengals 0-1
GB 0-1
Houston 1-1
(I haven't read any of the thread, so not sure if it has been brought up)

uhh....the Texans and Bengals were offensive teams? WTF? They were 2nd and 7th this year in total defense, 4th and 9th in scoring defense.

And I'm not sure I would label the Giants as "defensive" - they have some pass-rushers but their D let them down all season. They were 27th this year in total defense, 25th in scoring defense. Meanwhile they were 8th in total offense and 9th in scoring offense.

Stat fail, pete.

Deberg_1990 01-16-2012 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8302547)
He was their secondary coach when they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl too. It's funny how those things work. Colts fans hated DC Vic Fangio, and he really wasn't very successful... he failed in Indy, didn't do very well in Houston either... really hadn't done anything of note in almost 15 years. Now he's coordinating the Niners defense, and in one season they look really nasty, top 5 in several defensive categories, and probably had some of the best run defense numbers in recent NFL history.
heh, yea...its funny how they do your right. Its the NFL, funny things can happen. Thats why i dont get worked up too much about co-ordinators. IMO talent trumps playcalling and co-ordinators every time. Those Vermeil teams had NO TALENT on defense.

Deberg_1990 01-16-2012 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 8302603)

And I'm not sure I would label the Giants as "defensive" - they have some pass-rushers but their D let them down all season.
Who cares how the played earlier in the season? They are playing well now when it truly matters.

Chiefnj2 01-16-2012 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8302610)
heh, yea...its funny how they do your right. Its the NFL, funny things can happen. Thats why i dont get worked up too much about co-ordinators. IMO talent trumps playcalling and co-ordinators every time. Those Vermeil teams had NO TALENT on defense.
You need talent to win, but talent doesn't guarantee a win. There is no excuse why a team like the Falcons couldn't put any points on the board against the Giants.

Discuss Thrower 01-16-2012 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8302615)
You need talent to win, but talent doesn't guarantee a win. There is no excuse why a team like the Falcons couldn't put any points on the board against the Giants.
Quarterback...

lcarus 01-16-2012 01:46 PM
The Giants are good all around.

htismaqe 01-16-2012 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8302615)
You need talent to win, but talent doesn't guarantee a win. There is no excuse why a team like the Falcons couldn't put any points on the board against the Giants.
The Falcons QB is WAY overrated...

Fritz88 01-16-2012 01:50 PM
The winner this year is from the NFC. Both teams are balanced on both sides of the ball, with the edge to NYG.

sedated 01-16-2012 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8302613)
Who cares how the played earlier in the season? They are playing well now when it truly matters.
oh, okay. So the day after Matt Cassel throws for 4 TDs, you consider him a elite offensive player?

Chiefnj2 01-16-2012 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8302663)
The Falcons QB is WAY overrated...
He's not horrible. The Falcons have enough talent that they certainly should not have been shut out.


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