Roaf was amazing. Perfect combo of strength and agility. One of the best trades the Chiefs ever made.

Hall couldn't handle the 2 big Willies at once.

Will Shields will eventually get into the Hall of Fame. The NFL Committee would be making a huge mistake by not allowing a 12 time Pro Bowler (Shields being the only Chief to enter the Pro Bowl every single year of his career) and arguably one of the 10 best offensive linemen ever into the HOF. Also, he was second behind Brett Favre for most consecutive career starts with 231 games started, including the playoffs, when he retired in 2006.

Remember that this was Shields' first year of eligibility for the Hall of Fame, so there's always next year. One of this year's recipients, Jack Butler, had been retired since 1961. Plus, Chiefs Hall of Famer Derrick Thomas had been dead nearly 9 years before he got inducted (got in during his 5th year of eligibility in 2009).

He's especially awesome in my mind because we got him after a nasty ACL tear when he was with New Orleans. I love Will Shields, dont get me wrong, but when Roaf missed a few games with that hamstring strain our offense simply crumbled. Trent Green was not the same QB without Willie protecting his blind side.

When he was out, it hurt and it hurt bad. The scary thing about Roaf is that as destructive as he was for us, he was playing a lot of games on a bad wheel. He was awesome, and he was a fucking warrior. Its a damn shame we didnt have the defense to help him get a ring.

Absolutely blows me away that Jerry Kramer is not in the HoF. The Old-Timers committee has to get this guy in. Dude played injured just about his whole career. He was an anchor on that Packer OL at Right Guard and also doubled as a PK over the years.

Peter King responds to some of the Hall voter critisim over the past week or so.....heh, he even says to write the guys in charge of the Hall if you want to see change.






I think these are my Hall of Fame thoughts, as one of 44 voters who has been taking kill shots on various parts of my body in the last eight days:

a. This was my 20th year as a voter. If the Hall wants to institute term limits for the voters, to try to break some of the logjams that seem to be happening, it's fine with me. I won't argue. We didn't sign contracts-til-death when the Hall asked us to be on the Selection Committee. Anytime they want me to leave, all they have to do is show me the door.

b. Now, if you want term limits, you have to understand what you'll be getting. You'll be throwing out veteran NFL media folk and importing some less-experienced ones, in many cases. I understand the sentiment to throw the bums out, as in Congress. But I would ask this question: Do you want a new panel of bums if most of the replacements haven't covered the NFL long enough to have worked a game that Andre Reed played in?

c. I work with and like Mike Florio. But as I told him the other day, it's personally insulting to read him say the 44 committee members are in this, in part, as some sort of power trip to hold some sway over the people we cover. I can speak for one person on the committee -- me. And I don't do this for the power.

d. I want all Hall votes to be public. I have told Hall officials that several times. I think it's important for the public to know who we do and don't support. If you want to write to someone to try to effect change -- either in the transparency issue or in the issue of putting players and club officials on the election panel -- write to Steve Perry, president, Pro Football Hall of Fame, 2121 George Halas Drive NW, Canton, Ohio 44708.

e. Regarding players, coaches and club officials being on the committee instead of media people: Fine with me. If it happens, though, I believe it has to be 32 additional voters -- one former player, coach or club officials per team. I actually think this would be good. To have Bill Polian, Ron Wolf, Sonny Jurgensen, Dan Dierdorf, Bill Cowher, Nat Moore and Mike Haynes would be refreshing and smart. Now, the meeting would likely have to be two days long; the meeting this year was 7 hours and 34 minutes with 44 people.

f. Please stop asking questions like, "Is Eli Manning a Hall of Famer now?'' The answer is simple: Hall of Fame credentials are determined once a player has retired. Eli Manning has six or eight years left, easy, unless he gets hurt. Now is not the time to make a rational decision on whether the 51st-leading passer of all time (in passing yards) is a Hall of Famer.

g. When you tell me, "You're an idiot for leaving Bill Parcells and Cris Carter out of the Hall of Fame,'' understand that I am one of 44 voters. I am one-44th to blame, though I supported both with my vote and my mouth.

h. When you tell me, "You're an idiot for leaving Parcells and Carter out of the Hall of Fame,'' tell me which two enshrinees you'd have left out.

i. As for the rumor-mongering about Carter or whoever being "one vote short'' or some number of votes shy of election: Absolutely absurd. Deloitte, the accounting firm, is the only entity that knows the vote totals. All votes in the room are secret. We don't know who votes for anyone. We can guess, certainly, based on what is said in the room. But to know with certainty? Impossible.

j. Never have I heard a voter say anything like, "Cris Carter's an idiot, so I'm not voting for him.'' Not even close.

k. I'm still waiting for the Andre Reed fans from La Jolla and Albuquerque and Lubbock to harangue me about why he hasn't been elected. It's funny that all the critics so far seem to be from Western New York.

l. We don't have to be biased against a candidate to not vote for him. We could simply think he's not a Hall of Famer. Is that so hard to believe?


http://cnnsi.com/2012/writers/peter_.../12/eli/2.html

Regarding Point I, the voters themselves don't know how other members voted?

I always thought they did a show of hands or something, but agreed to keep the voting secret amongst themselves. I didn't know that even they don't know who's voting for whom.

So do they get the final tallies? Do they know that Will Shields got X votes and Cris Carter got Y votes? Or do they just get a list of "these guys got enough votes" from the consulting folks?

Probably a list containing the top 6.
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Anyone seen Vermeil tonight?

Meat Roaf!!!

Roaf thanked all the Chiefs. :)

wonder why he didn't include Joe Horn in that list of players to thank?

Carl Peterson still is still waiting to see if Willie will report to camp.

Oh. My. God. I was posting in the wrong thread -

Not sure what happened - I thought I was posting in this thread ...

Sorry.

Didn't see Vermeil.