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tredadda 02-26-2012 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8400318)
maybe they won't ... dunno

but with all the WR's on the market they just might

Tag Carr and let Bowe walk

We then have a rather large pool of WR's to look at in FA. Maybe Bowe will even come back if he doesn't get the Larry Fitzgerald money he's apparently looking for.

The tag is about getting draft picks back for a guy who might leave imo.

a top CB is worth more in FA this year and will get us more in return.
Exactly, Carr is far more valuable to other teams than he is to us, especially now that we have Routt. That is why we tag him and try to get a reasonable return for him. I would settle for Dallas's #1 this year and #2 next year. They would be far more prone to give that up than multiple #1 picks for him.

philfree 02-26-2012 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8400307)
I figured that is probably what he meant but I don't believe the chiefs are going to tag him.
We have to show Bowe the money and get him signed so we can tag Carr.

Mr. Laz 02-26-2012 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8400339)
We have to show Bowe the money and get him signed so we can tag Carr.
not if Bowe is asking for Fitzgerald mone, we don't

tons of veteran WR's in FA ... let Bowe see what he can get in comparison

BigMeatballDave 02-26-2012 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8400348)
not if Bowe is asking for Fitzgerald mone, we don't

tons of veteran WR's in FA ... let Bowe see what he can get in comparison
I really hope Bowe isn't asking for that kind of deal. He's not gonna get it.

Okie_Apparition 02-26-2012 04:18 PM
Carl turned the #126th pick in the 2004 draft into a 1st & two 3
Scott what can you turn the #140 in the 2008 draft into

philfree 02-26-2012 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8400348)
not if Bowe is asking for Fitzgerald mone, we don't

tons of veteran WR's in FA ... let Bowe see what he can get in comparison
We've got the money to sign Bowe though so I'd rather keep him. He won't get a Fitz contract IMO and his agent has to know this. The next week or so is going to be pretty interesting.

jjchieffan 02-26-2012 04:23 PM
I can't remember exactly, but wasn't there something written into the new cba to prevent teams from tagging a player just to hold him hostage for draft picks? Since we signed Routt, it could be argued that we are not acting in good faith to try to retain him.

Mr. Laz 02-26-2012 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8400371)
We've got the money to sign Bowe though so I'd rather keep him. He won't get a Fitz contract IMO and his agent has to know this. The next week or so is going to be pretty interesting.
we don't know what Bowe is asking for

I'm incline to believe that he is asking for huge money since we have been so aggressive in keeping our own free agents so far.

Hell, we even overpaid for a kicker.

prhom 02-26-2012 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8400297)
The smart move is to sign Bowe as his value on the market is less in comparison to Carr. With us having Routt, Carr is more expendable for us, but of more value to other teams like the Cowboys. We could try a sign and trade with Dallas though if that is possible. I would then trade Carr to Dallas (maybe a first this year and second next year). Then give Stl our high 1st and Dallas's high 1st. Then give them our second this year and next along with our 2013 1st and Dallas's 2013 2nd for the #2 pick. STL cleans up with two firsts this year (both in top 15), two 2nds this year and two 1sts and 2nds next year as well. We get the #2 pick this year and then our draft from round 3 on. Then we get rounds 2 on next year, so we lose very few picks.
I wouldn't mind this scenario at all. I think it would be easier to get another team to give up a draft pick for him than for Bowe. Other quality receivers should be available that wouldn't cost a draft pick so I don't think we'd be as successful trading him. Putting us in play for RGIII would be worth losing a few picks and Carr.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-26-2012 04:33 PM
LOL at the tag and trade carr. Chiefs tag him and he doesn't sign the deal till after the draft you are ****ed.

Mr. Laz 02-26-2012 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8400389)
LOL at the tag and trade carr. Chiefs tag him and he doesn't sign the deal till after the draft you are ****ed.
oh go **** yourself, you irritating little prick

you can always make up some way for shit to go wrong ... it doesn't mean it will.

we'd have a full month to work on the tag/trade


i suppose we could just not try anything

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-26-2012 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8400396)
oh go **** yourself, you irritating little prick

you can always make up some way for shit to go wrong ... it doesn't mean it will.

we'd have a full month to work on the tag/trade


i suppose we could just not try anything

If he doesn't sign it you cant talk to any team about trading him.

philfree 02-26-2012 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8400389)
LOL at the tag and trade carr. Chiefs tag him and he doesn't sign the deal till after the draft you are ****ed.
You don't make it to where you can't deal the guy. It would also be in Carrs best interest to seek a trade and a long term deal instead of just trying to screw the Chiefs because they put the tag on him. That just seems silly.

Okie_Apparition 02-26-2012 04:42 PM
RGIII could refuse to play for the Chiefs just as easily
& Carr has waited a long time to cash in & buy a bar in Florida

philfree 02-26-2012 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8400399)
If he doesn't sign it you cant talk to any team about trading him.
I don't believe that's right.


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