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mr. tegu 07-14-2012 03:43 PM

So before the season last year most people picked us around 7-9 and a step backwards because of the schedule, assuming a healthy roster. Fast forward and we finish 7-9 sans Berry, Charles, and Moeaki, with Palko making starts in primetime and we still finish 7-9. I'm not sure how exactly we took a big step backwards last season when finished as expected but not with the players we expected. If anything we made progress because we got rid of Haley who was clearly completely insane.

Hammock Parties 07-14-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 8740128)
So before the season last year most people picked us around 7-9 and a step backwards because of the schedule, assuming a healthy roster. Fast forward and we finish 7-9 sans Berry, Charles, and Moeaki, with Palko making starts in primetime and we still finish 7-9. I'm not sure how exactly we took a big step backwards last season when finished as expected but not with the players we expected. If anything we made progress because we got rid of Haley who was clearly completely insane.

We lost some players, so did some other teams we faced.

Evens out.

And hiring a 65-year old is not progress. It's a desperate attempt to bail water from the S.S. Patriot Way.

O.city 07-14-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8740131)
We lost some players, so did some other teams we faced.

Evens out.

I realize injuries happen, but injuries like we had last year don't happen alot.


Same with the Bears, who lost Cutler and Forte. You lose your starting qb, all ro rb, all pro safety you ain't winnin shit.

boogblaster 07-14-2012 03:56 PM

we'll see .....

whoman69 07-14-2012 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8740053)
Sounds right to me. The Chiefs front seven is filled with backups aside from DJ and Tamba. Their secondary is good. Their OL is decent, RB's are good (assuming Charles is healthy), and if Bowe pulls a VJ the Chiefs have nothing at WR.

The Chiefs have a solid roster but no game changers aside from Jamaal Charles and who knows if he will ever be the same.

The front seven is filled with backups? Where were the Doncs rated last year and where were the Chiefs? Their secondary is just good? Are you comparing it to the ancient Champ Bailey and no-names you have? Their OL is just decent? We've upgraded at two positions, greatly at RT and possibly a third. Chiefs have nothing at WR? If Bowe holds out the whole year, their receiver corps is still better than the Doncs.

This team almost won the division last year with a horrible season from Cassel and Palko. Outside of QB the talent level between the Chiefs and Broncos isn't even close.

Ebolapox 07-14-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8740091)
No. You have a single passrusher, the Chiefs had the third fewest sacks in the entire league last year.

Brandon Flowers is a #1 corner, not a shutdown corner. Ray Crocket was a solid #1 corner but he wasn't a shutdown corner.

And Albert is a solid LT. He won't shutout an elite pass rusher one on one.

except for dwight freeney, apparently.

whoman69 07-14-2012 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8740091)
No. You have a single passrusher, the Chiefs had the third fewest sacks in the entire league last year.

Brandon Flowers is a #1 corner, not a shutdown corner. Ray Crocket was a solid #1 corner but he wasn't a shutdown corner.

And Albert is a solid LT. He won't shutout an elite pass rusher one on one.

Houston had 5.5 sacks in the last half of the season. The Chiefs were the team with the least pass plays against in the league. The team finished 6th in INTs, 12th in points against, and 11th in yards against. You want to cherry pick a stat and call our defense poor? Start telling the whole story.

Broncos 24th in points, 20th in yards against, 19th in first downs against, 28th in INTs.

RealSNR 07-14-2012 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by h5n1 (Post 8740225)
except for dwight freeney, apparently.

Funny how that works.

You know who Clady struggles against? Dwight Freeney.

Oh, and Tamba Hali, too.

Albert >>> Clady

RealSNR 07-14-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8739928)
the Chiefs took a surprisingly big step backward in 2011


Do people watch any football before they write this crap? 1 Block FG away from winning the West and that's a big step backwards?

2010's team wasn't losing to ****ing Buffalo and Miami at home, I can tell you that much right now.

And they probably would have gotten another win. The Steelers game.

Yes, last year was a big step backwards. It was a weaker team. Period.

BossChief 07-14-2012 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8739981)
That's why I said "potential."

We weren't a contender in 2010. 2011 was a chance to take that next step, and we failed horribly.

With our schedule this year we have another chance to prove we belong.

IMO, We didn't "fail horribly".

CoMoChief 07-14-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8739928)
the Chiefs took a surprisingly big step backward in 2011


Do people watch any football before they write this crap? 1 Block FG away from winning the West and that's a big step backwards?

This team was NOT a true playoff team, even if we would have beaten OAK. We played like shit the majority of the season. We were lucky that the rest of the division was dogshit as well.

Hammock Parties 07-14-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8740653)
IMO, We didn't "fail horribly".

We didn't beat ANYONE worth a shit, other than the Packers, and KYLE ORTON IS NOT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR.

We failed UTTERLY to move up into the next bracket of competition.

BossChief 07-14-2012 08:19 PM

I think what the team did last year was impressive, everything factored in.

We were devasted in multiple position groups and found a way to be a game out from another playoff appearance.

Let's say we had Kyle Orton as last years game one starter and didn't lose Charles, Berry and Moeaki.

That's what we could have had this upcoming year and it would give all of us more hope.

I think this team is gonna win a lot of games IF WE CAN GET AVERAGE QUARTERBACK PLAY.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-15-2012 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8740469)
Houston had 5.5 sacks in the last half of the season. The Chiefs were the team with the least pass plays against in the league. The team finished 6th in INTs, 12th in points against, and 11th in yards against. You want to cherry pick a stat and call our defense poor? Start telling the whole story.

Broncos 24th in points, 20th in yards against, 19th in first downs against, 28th in INTs.

Denver's D is shit even with Vondum and a close to pasture Chump. Chiefs should be a unit that finishes between 5 and 10. Willis will be wondering where all that running room is without that extra fullback behind center, while the Chiefs ground game rapes.

BoneKrusher 07-15-2012 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8740873)
I think what the team did last year was impressive, everything factored in.

We were devasted in multiple position groups and found a way to be a game out from another playoff appearance.

Let's say we had Kyle Orton as last years game one starter and didn't lose Charles, Berry and Moeaki.

That's what we could have had this upcoming year and it would give all of us more hope.

I think this team is gonna win a lot of games IF WE CAN GET AVERAGE QUARTERBACK PLAY.

but that word seems so Big right now.


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