Yeah, and Washington had no chance at RGIII from where they picked.

No more excuses.

Of course the Lions are in a better spot than we are. They were "lucky" enough to figure out/draft a franchise qb who happens to be a stud. Add that to the fact that they drafted top 5 in what seems like 10 drafts in a row.


Until we get a quarterback to lead the ship, we are worse off than teams that have one, no matter the rest of the roster.

Oh, and this board went out of their way to claim this asshole as the greatest GM in professional sports, so a playoff appearance in Year Four is letting him off the hook.

I think the Lions were well ahead of the Chiefs in 2009 and still slightly ahead now, which means Pioli is gaining on Mayhew.

It's not an excuse just reality.

Do you think we could have traded up for Stafford? I don't. :shrug:

Neither has won a playoff game, so no sucking thier dicks just yet. They still employ Gun for ****'s sake.

I wanted Stafford so bad in the draft that year. Damn the Lions for out sucking KC that year. Our consolation prize would have been Sanchez. YIPEEEE!!!!

I'd say Detroit is more than slightly ahead of KC.

Why?

Matt Stafford.

Did you forget that you said "or any other legit QB prospect", or was it better for your argument not to mention it again?

It is an excuse.

The fact is, it was reported that the Lions made an offer to the Patriots for Matt Cassel.

Pioli outbid them.

If Pioli, who should have had a better idea of what Matt Cassel really was, stayed away from that trade, and the Lions got Cassel, it's entirely possible that the Chiefs could have traded up to the Lions spot in that draft for Stafford.

So, at the end of the day, there is no excuse.

It kills me that a great % of the fanbase doesn't understand to this day that you have to at least try to draft a FQB.

And no, Clark won't fire Pioli after a(nother) losing, non playoff season.

Say we make the playoffs this year, that gives Pioli a 50% go of making the playoffs as a GM.


Likely if we don't lose our two best players last year for the entire year, we have a good chance of being in the playoffs last year.

I'd say he's done a better job than some around here give him credit for, but he's also had a few colossal **** ups, add to that the fact that he's so stubborn.

So I'm torn on the matter. You aren't going to get good by rebuilding every 4 or 5 years, but you also aren't getting to the level you want if you aren't building right.

Who did we have a chance at?

Yeah you're right though draft position doesn't really matter.

The 2009 Lions, who finished the 2007 season with a perfect 0-16 record were ahead of the Chiefs?

We had a chance at basically anybody.


If you have a guy you like, go get the guy. Trade picks.


A franchise qb is worth more, IMO, than a couple first round picks.

I'd like to see the real reports about that. I don't remember hearing that before but that doesn't mean it isn't true but I think Stafford was their guy all along. Hell they could have got Cassel for less then the Chiefs and then drafted Stafford too. From what I recall the Lions were not going to pass on Stafford at any point.