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mr. tegu 09-20-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8930411)
Those numbers are COMPLETELY deceiving.

COMPLETELY.

The running game was absolutely pathetic in the first half against Buffalo.

The whole offense was garbage until the drive at the end of the first half, which was basically two plays - the big pass to Boss and Cassel's scramble.

Funny how this offense works when we get big plays, and usually doesn't when we try to dink and dunk shit.

COULD IT BE ANY MORE OBVIOUS WHAT WE NEED?

I love how you post as if you have discovered some secret about what we need. We all know it. LMAO

That being said, the defense in spite of Cassel should still be playing better than they are.

mr. tegu 09-20-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8930455)
That and Atlantas defense is not what you would call stout. Even with 4 turnovers Denver almost won that game.

Three or four straight possessions running the ball with a 240lb Turner who is averaging about 2.6 YPC will do that to you. IIRC Atlanta threw the ball ONE time in the third quarter.

Chiefs Pantalones 09-20-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 8930598)
That being said, the defense in spite of Cassel should still be playing better than they are.

This is true, but in a league where the rules favor offenses nowadays you can't expect an 85 Bears or a 2000 Ravens/Titans defensive performance. Heck, you can't expect your defense to perform even at an above average peformance on a consistent basis. Look at the 49ers defense, which is considered by most in the league as the best. They gave up 22 and 19 points in their two games against potent offenses, that's good. But that's still 22 and 19 points. Back in the day, that's not THAT good. Today that's good, considering the offenses and the rules that favor them.

I won't say what you already know. Ok, I will. :) We need a QB. When your defense isn't having its best day you can't count on him to bring you from behind or keep the pressure on the defense if you have the lead.

whoman69 09-20-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8929795)
What's sad is the millions and millions of dollars paid to folks who should know this...we are building a team to compete in the 1980's NFL.

We'll get there soon. Herm was building a team built for the 70s.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-20-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8930049)
Where is this strong running game, btw?

My thoughts exactly. Any success or strength the Chiefs possess under Peeholi is all theoretical at this point.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-20-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8930747)
We'll get there soon. Herm was building a team built for the 70s.


LMAO

NJChiefsFan 09-20-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8930411)
Those numbers are COMPLETELY deceiving.

COMPLETELY.

The running game was absolutely pathetic in the first half against Buffalo.

The whole offense was garbage until the drive at the end of the first half, which was basically two plays - the big pass to Boss and Cassel's scramble.

Funny how this offense works when we get big plays, and usually doesn't when we try to dink and dunk shit.

COULD IT BE ANY MORE OBVIOUS WHAT WE NEED?

Everyone knows what we need. Any Chief fan that doesn't sip the cool-aid just cause the Chiefs are "their team" has seen it for a few years. Leadership doesn't see it cause Clark lets Pioli do whatever he wants, the coaches want their jobs, and Pioli is blinded by his desire to be right about Cassel.

RealSNR 09-20-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8930411)
Those numbers are COMPLETELY deceiving.

COMPLETELY.

The running game was absolutely pathetic in the first half against Buffalo.

The whole offense was garbage until the drive at the end of the first half, which was basically two plays - the big pass to Boss and Cassel's scramble.

Funny how this offense works when we get big plays, and usually doesn't when we try to dink and dunk shit.

COULD IT BE ANY MORE OBVIOUS WHAT WE NEED?

Yep. Completely obvious.

Strong veteran interior offensive linemen and a true fullback.

Once you get those, you draft some TEs, and some real WRs who can catch.

Then more RB depth.

Anything else? I don't think I'm missing anything...

007 09-21-2012 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 8930037)
I have personally never seen the Chiefs media so strong and bold against the organization. It seems like they all have been emboldened since Babb tore into the team first and now it's a free-for-all.

GOOD!

I bet once Babb is gone it will stop too.

FAX 09-21-2012 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8932443)
I bet once Babb is gone it will stop too.

Perhaps not, Mr. Guru. Once the Star determines that their editorial position of exposing Dr. Evil and his despicable methods has resulted in recycling fewer papers from their boxes, advertising will increase and, as advertising increases, they will intensify their efforts to disclose the truth about Dr. Evil through the power of the printing press who will then have no choice but to escalate his own contemptible campaign of duplicity through a new and even more blatant wave of lies, deceit, deception and blatant obscurantism in order to save himself which will, in turn, result in even more damning evidence as his prevarications are revealed for what they are and he is at last discredited and smoked out of his lair to be sent packing back to the stinking pit of hell where he belongs.

FAX

Unsmooth-Moment 09-21-2012 03:23 AM

It is a passing league, but that doesn't mean you cannot win running the football. The best team in the league is a run first and play tough defense (SF).

Coogs 09-21-2012 05:39 AM

This play shows the ineptitude of our QB. Every damn receiver on the team is open via NFL standards. Hell, even by Jr. High school standards. The ball should have been out already to which ever receiver he wanted. (Whoever is running the seam rout at the 48 would have been the best option IMO) And the result of this play was a fumble by Cassel... that resulted in a TD by Buffalo a few plays later.

http://i.imgur.com/RO8xp.jpg

FAX 09-21-2012 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8932476)
This play shows the ineptitude of our QB. Every damn receiver on the team is open via NFL standards. Hell, even by Jr. High school standards. The ball should have been out already to which ever receiver he wanted. (Whoever is running the seam rout at the 48 would have been the best ooption IMO) And the result of this play was a fumble by Cassel... that resulted in a TD by Buffalo a few plays later.

http://i.imgur.com/RO8xp.jpg

Okay. That's pretty sad.

But, here's my question ...

The guys on the team study the film from the last game, correct? And they all see the same thing, right? The same thing we see when we look at shocking photos like that, right? And they are football players ... they've played football all their lives and know what good quarterbacking is and what "open downfield" means, correct?

If all that is true, it seems to me that the guys would be absolutely sick and freaking tired of running routes and blocking their asses off for no reason since the result of all their effort and risk of injury is going to be some sort of screw up ultimately resulting in a loss.

The defense has to see this stuff, too. I mean, they know that, regardless of how well they play, they will never have the luxury of a lead or, most often, even any rest between series.

I have to believe that there is a lot of grumbling going on amidst the troops ... I know that I, personally, would have a freaking hard time being a good and loyal and generous and hardworking teammate to a dumbass like Cassel. Especially after seeing stuff like this every week.

FAX

Coogs 09-21-2012 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8932482)
Okay. That's pretty sad.

But, here's my question ...

The guys on the team study the film from the last game, correct? And they all see the same thing, right? The same thing we see when we look at shocking photos like that, right? And they are football players ... they've played football all their lives and know what good quarterbacking is and what "open downfield" means, correct?

If all that is true, it seems to me that the guys would be absolutely sick and freaking tired of running routes and blocking their asses off for no reason since the result of all their effort and risk of injury is going to be some sort of screw up ultimately resulting in a loss.

The defense has to see this stuff, too. I mean, they know that, regardless of how well they play, they will never have the luxury of a lead or, most often, even any rest between series.

I have to believe that there is a lot of grumbling going on amidst the troops ... I know that I, personally, would have a freaking hard time being a good and loyal and generous and hardworking teammate to a dumbass like Cassel. Especially after seeing stuff like this every week.

FAX

:clap:

Been trying to say this for a long time. You just said it a lot better.

chiefzilla1501 09-21-2012 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 8932458)
It is a passing league, but that doesn't mean you cannot win running the football. The best team in the league is a run first and play tough defense (SF).

I would agree with this. I think you an win with this model, but the fact is that you either have to be elite on running the ball and defense, or you have to have a qb that is anoutstandng game manager. For example, I think the steelers are moving toward this philosophy. Big Ben has proven he can win on his arm alone, but putting him into more a game manager role, in my opinion, will make Pittsburgh downright dangerous. Of course, I'm oversimplifying. Being a good game manager isn't easy. It requires you to make big plays in big moments and to be nails on third down. Few can do that very consistently.


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