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Lzen 11-27-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9156525)
Yeah, then that interim coach wins a few games and gets hired permanently. No thanks.

Yeah, that worked out so well with Romeo. :doh!:

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9156358)
I was told a contract extension would actually make firing Pioli EASIER, not harder.

Can someone explain this?

Sorter 11-27-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9156626)
absolutely, i'm serious.

this rumor filled bullshit campaign about Pioli is just stupid ... it's taken on a life of it's own. Everyone believing every dumbass story that comes out because they WANT to believe it.

Pioli has failed to win
Pioli has failed to get a SINGLE QUALITY QBover a 4 year period
Pioli has failed to get a quality coaching staffsee above
Pioli has also failed to get quality D-Lineman who can rush the passer
Pioli has struggled drafting or adding quality players in the secondary
Pioli has failed to make a horrible receiving corp significantly better
Pioli has failed in everything but O-line picks, resigning valuable players (until last year and presumably this year with Albert and Bowe), and the drafting of Eric Berry and Justin Houston

If these 3 things gets him fired then so be it but all that other idiotic stuff is worthless fan fodder.

FYP

htismaqe 11-27-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by donkhater (Post 9156611)
Personally, I hope they wait to the end of the season to fire anyone.

Why?

1. It all but guarantees the #1 pick that can be used for trade bait if a great D player is there or take the QB.

2. But most importantly, someone coming in mid season (like Crennel did last year) entrenches the guy, and if he has some success, there may be less motivation on the part of Hunt to clean house.

Look at it this way:

A guy like Bill Cowher isn't going to take a job where he won't have a franchise QB.

The only thing that comes close to having an already-entrenched franchise QB is having the #1 overall pick...

mr. tegu 11-27-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 9156642)
Can someone explain this?

It was rumored that the extension would have had an easy buyout for option for Clark which is why Pioli didn't sign it.

KurtCobain 11-27-2012 12:25 PM

You would think at the very least a PR guy would get canned, giving all this bad press with soc and everything.

notorious 11-27-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Argo (Post 9156655)
You would think at the very least a PR guy would get canned, giving all this bad press with soc and everything.

You want them to fire the Bible-Thumping Ginger already?

Mr. Laz 11-27-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9156646)
FYP

like i said, we just disagree

HC
QB
Speed WR
Free safety

4 quality upgrades and we are a legit playoff level team

HC - i dunno
QB - Geno Smith
Speed WR - Tavon Austin? Wallace?
Free safety - Draft/Free Agent

all 4 can be had in 1 offseason and next year the team will look/feel completely different.

now i also want a more aggressive schemes but i would hope that those come with the new HC.

htismaqe 11-27-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9156665)
now i also want a more aggressive schemes but i would hope that those come with the new HC.

Pioli doesn't hire outside of his immediate tree. And none of those guys run aggressive schemes.

So if you think Pioli deserves another chance, you really don't want change at the HC or coordinator positions...

Chris Meck 11-27-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9156410)
He's not fireable, not by this regime.

Romeo can't fire Daboll because he hand-picked him. Pioli can't fire him because he hand-picked Romeo.

They can't fire anybody without incriminating themselves.

That's why Clark will get to fire all of them at the end of the season.

THIS.
Clark's not going to fire people mid-season just to make the fanbase feel justified. It's important that ownership show itself to be consistent and not reactionary in order to be an attractive landing spot for the best candidates, so he'll wait till the end of the season.

notorious 11-27-2012 12:33 PM

Pioli has had chances at all that you have listed. That is why we are carrying pitchforks.

3rd time is a charm?

Lzen 11-27-2012 12:34 PM

I was in the camp that thought the Pioli bashing was over the top. I mean, not all of his picks and FA pickups were bad. People tend to exaggerate that stuff. But when you consider that he has really screwed this franchise by forcing his HCs to stick with Cassel and not bring in real competition, it gets harder to support the notion that we'll be okay with Pioli. Then you have to consider his Gestapo actions toward SOC and other things and the Pioli image has degraded quite a bit. The guy has failed miserably. IMO, he's got some mental issues. Keeping him at GM would only sink this franchise even further into oblivion.

Sorter 11-27-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9156665)
like i said, we just disagree

HC
QB
Speed WR
Free safety

4 quality upgrades and we are a legit playoff level team

HC - i dunno
QB - Geno Smith
Speed WR - Tavon Austin? Wallace?
Free safety - Draft/Free Agent

all 4 can be had in 1 offseason and next year the team will look/feel completely different.

now i also want a more aggressive schemes but i would hope that those come with the new HC.

You really think we're a quality playoff team trotting Jalil Brown out at RCB and having no DEs who can creat pressure from our base front? You also think that we don't need an ILB who can cover, which would allow Eric to play deep more often than in the box as a LB? You think that we really just need 1 wr? Because Breaston is probably gone, Bowe is probably gone, your receiving corp is going to be Baldwin (possibe bust) DMC, Wylie,Newsome, and Hemmingway. That isn't a playoff WR group, that is Jaguarsesque.

Mr. Laz 11-27-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9156675)
Pioli doesn't hire outside of his immediate tree. And none of those guys run aggressive schemes.

So if you think Pioli deserves another chance, you really don't want change at the HC or coordinator positions...

you could be right

If that really is the case then it's up to Clark Hunt to either force the issue or fire Pioli.

We will probably never know for certain.

htismaqe 11-27-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9156698)
you could be right

If that really is the case then it's up to Clark Hunt to either force the issue or fire Pioli.

We will probably never know for certain.

Probably true.

Chiefnj2 11-27-2012 12:44 PM

In year 4 of a new GM the team should be turned around and should be a contender (if they haven't already). KC is 1-10 and is getting worse. There is no injury excuse this year. Pioli has not improved the team. The only impact players are from Herm 5+ years ago.

Pioli is going to leave the team in shambles.


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