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cockeyes 05-03-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 9655203)
No, that's what FMLA is for.

Are you aware that she'd be "clocked out" if she took FMLA?

ChiliConCarnage 05-03-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9655191)
Requiring adherence from call center employees is not about profit margin. It is about running a call center.

Without schedule adherence standards, no call center would operate efficiently or correctly.

You run something efficiently so that you have a higher profit margin. Otherwise they could easily up staff a bit and cover these situations. They just don't care about these people because they don't have great options.

luv 05-03-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 9654774)
That's the tough part... at a job like that, it's so easy to tell if people around you are doing their job, and if one person gets the benefit of 2 or 3 extra breaks (even if it's just going to the bathroom), people will complain and try to stretch the rules as far as possible.

Of course, the article focuses on 'going to the bathroom' to generate attention, even though it's pretty clear that the doctor's note was about the requirement to drink a ton of water. It just sounds more ridiculous to say she needed a note to go to the bathroom. Anyone could drink a ton of water at work to avoid doing their job. Clocking out is kind of dumb, IMO, depending on how often we're talking about... it's probably better for the company to just let that slide or ask her to simply work an extra 15-30 minutes/day instead of possibly creating a media shitstorm over something like that.

This. If it's that big of a problem, allow her to work extra. Especially if the "time away from her desk" is what the fuss is all about.

Bump 05-03-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cockeyes (Post 9654739)
I think they've made a "reasonable accommodation", she's allowed to go to the bathroom as much as she wants so long as she clocks out.

She is not disabled, her pregnancy has no impact on her ability to perform any of the essential functions of a call center job.

Paying someone who isn't working is not a reasonable accommodation. Allowing her unlimited bathroom breaks when no one else gets this privilege is, I think.

If I were her manager I would be looking the other way just as good business, but this isn't an ADA issue

I'm not sure about every state, but a lot of states you have to be clocked out for a full 30 minute break or you get paid for it. 29 minutes off the clock, they legally have to pay you.

HonestChieffan 05-03-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9655191)
Requiring adherence from call center employees is not about profit margin. It is about running a call center.

Without schedule adherence standards, no call center would operate efficiently or correctly.

And some employees will exceed expectations and be rewarded. Others will meet expectations and fall in the middle. And the bottom performers will gripe.

Strongside 05-03-2013 01:38 PM

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luv 05-03-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cockeyes (Post 9655206)
Are you aware that she'd be "clocked out" if she took FMLA?

She was willing to clock out in order to go to the bathroom. They fired her for a 12 cent error. I don't know that whole story, if she had priors and whatnot, but, according to the facts as presented, it just sounds like there was retaliation on the company's part. Of course, I don't know what the company policy is on having errors.

ShortRoundChief 05-03-2013 01:41 PM

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cosmo20002 05-03-2013 01:50 PM

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suzzer99 05-03-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones (Post 9654684)
meh - middle management doesn't get to decide that much in my opinion. I fault executives and investors that are looking for a short term windfall when companies are run that poorly.

I work for a decent sized company myself and sometimes I loathe that the executives have been such old fogies, but they do seem to be truly looking at the long term interests and genuinely care about their employees. Right now it's a very good place to have a career with a good work/life balance, but that will probably change in the next 10 years as they retire and are replaced by external execs that have been trained to think of people as expendable resources. We already have a new CEO that's instituting Jack Welch's fire the bottom 10% every year bullshit. That will be fine for a few years as we have some dead weight, but then we will start cutting into good people.

I work for a major media company that is hugely profitable but isn't really growing their core business. So naturally they are trying to squeeze more $$ out of their employees by offshoring a bunch of development work. But they're also trying to implement new technologies and innovate at the same time. It's squeezing the life out of the few good developers we have left.

suzzer99 05-03-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9655191)
Requiring adherence from call center employees is not about profit margin. It is about running a call center.

Without schedule adherence standards, no call center would operate efficiently or correctly.

And good companies allow their managers freedom to bend the rules when it obviously makes sense. I'm going to take a wild guess that a chunk of her manager's bonus is directly tied to 'adherence' metrics.

blaise 05-03-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 9655253)
And good companies allow their managers freedom to bend the rules when it obviously makes sense. I'm going to take a wild guess that a chunk of her manager's bonus is directly tied to 'adherence' metrics.

Yeah, or she actually was a crappy employee that caused problems before this and the manager just decided to dump her.

loochy 05-03-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 9655361)
Yeah, or she actually was a crappy employee that caused problems before this and the manager just decided to dump her.

That is kind of what I'm thinking.

Sometimes they look for reasons to can someone.

HonestChieffan 05-03-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 9655361)
Yeah, or she actually was a crappy employee that caused problems before this and the manager just decided to dump her.

The bottom 20% of all performers should be seen as expendible. If they know what is expected and choose to not change and be more productive then out they go. 80% of problem employees are in that group as a general rule. You also have some top performers who create issues as well. Management has to make tough decisions that some employees will never agree with or attemt to understand. Those who do and perform do well in most companies.

DJ's left nut 05-03-2013 03:24 PM

I feel like nobody that has posted after Duncan's extremely well stated post actually read Duncan's extremely well stated post.

We have a call center in my office. The job looks like it sucks something terrible but those time standards exist because they have to exist.

"Well just let her work more later..." isn't a viable answer - someone needs to be there to take those calls and if the calls don't get taken timely, call centers default on time-standards and end up fired.

Yes, it's only one person and 5 minutes here and there may not be the end of the world, but the rules exist for a reason and the rules in these instances are not arbitrary and mean-spirited. They're generally built around the requirements put in place by the people that have contracted out with these call centers.

The alternative? Everyone gets fired when the contract gets cancelled.

Sometimes your boss has a reason to do what he does. In fact, most times that's the case.

But by all means, continue raging against the machine.


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