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dirk digler 03-09-2014 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10476176)

I don't get the people who are so convinced he will be a bust. There are plenty of good reasons to explain why he struggled last year.
Because when you are picked #1 overall you shouldn't be sucking so bad. That is a bad sign.

Direckshun 03-09-2014 10:24 PM
Scott free is dropping truth all over this thread.

duncan_idaho 03-09-2014 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10476176)
Fisher came from a small school and we knew he'd be raw
We are in year 2 of a new CBA that dramatically cuts down on rookie practice time. Tough for a raw player who is also learning a totally new position
He was asked to play a position (RT) he was probably undersized to play. He needs to bulk up and he will benefit from a pro conditioning program, just as Poe did
He is better suited for the Left where he can use his athleticism and he doesn't need as much strength
He didn't seem to be healthy most of the season

I don't get the people who are so convinced he will be a bust. There are plenty of good reasons to explain why he struggled last year.
Fisher might end up being a stud still, but it is kind of funny to see this and know it is true when so many trumpeted that it HAD to be Fisher or Joeckel because they were "safe" and could play right away. Because you can't afford to take a developmental guy first overall...

OldSchool 03-09-2014 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10476321)
Fisher might end up being a stud still, but it is kind of funny to see this and know it is true when so many trumpeted that it HAD to be Fisher or Joeckel because they were "safe" and could play right away. Because you can't afford to take a developmental guy first overall...
To be fair though, there wasn't a sure #1 overall player in 2013. Was just a bad year to have the #1 overall pick.

No outstanding QB available.

No clearly "best talent" available.

The top 10 last year would probably be among picks 10-25 this year.

chiefzilla1501 03-09-2014 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10476321)
Fisher might end up being a stud still, but it is kind of funny to see this and know it is true when so many trumpeted that it HAD to be Fisher or Joeckel because they were "safe" and could play right away. Because you can't afford to take a developmental guy first overall...
Nobody ever said that. In fact, everyone acknowledged that Joeckl was the safe pick with a low ceiling, and Fisher was a rawer guy who had better future potential.

I don't think Fisher will be a stud. I don't like that he was taken 1.1. But he was a rawer player forced to play a new position in a "shortened" offseason missing some key offseason/preseason snaps due to injury.

chiefzilla1501 03-09-2014 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10476294)
Because when you are picked #1 overall you shouldn't be sucking so bad. That is a bad sign.
Except that he came from a small school, got significantly less practice snaps in the offseason due to the new CBA, and missed a lot of offseason snaps due to injury. Despite having less time and being raw, he was also asked to play a new position.

He improved throughout the season and everyone knows he'll benefit from adding weight, which can easily be done this offseason. It worked wonders for Poe.

So no, I don't view it as a bad sign. I see reasons to be optimistic. Those are all good reasons to be at least be patient before we judge.

mcaj22 03-10-2014 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10476332)
To be fair though, there wasn't a sure #1 overall player in 2012. Was just a bad year to have the #1 overall pick.

No outstanding QB available.

No clearly "best talent" available.

The top 10 last year would probably be among picks 10-25 this year.
there was a sure #1 player in 2012, his name was Andrew Luck

there was no #1 player in 2013, however.

ThaVirus 03-10-2014 12:28 AM
I hope Andrew Luck busts. I'm tired of hearing about that dickhead.

duncan_idaho 03-10-2014 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10476368)
Nobody ever said that. In fact, everyone acknowledged that Joeckl was the safe pick with a low ceiling, and Fisher was a rawer guy who had better future potential.

I don't think Fisher will be a stud. I don't like that he was taken 1.1. But he was a rawer player forced to play a new position in a "shortened" offseason missing some key offseason/preseason snaps due to injury.
There were definitely several people who were quite vocal about the idea that the No. 1 overall pick (or anyone taken in the top 5) could not be a player who needed to develop/might need to spend some time sitting before he was a capable NFL player.

Fisher to a small extent and Joeckel to a much larger one were trumpeted as the "safe" and "right" picks because of this.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10476468)
there was a sure #1 player in 2012, his name was Andrew Luck

there was no #1 player in 2013, however.
Coulda swore I typed 2013 there. Oh well, excuse the typo but you know what I mean.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10476470)
I hope Andrew Luck busts. I'm tired of hearing about that dickhead.
OHHHH, GREATEST COMEBACK PLAYER IN HISTORY!!! :mad:

Buehler445 03-10-2014 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10475473)
Eh, I bet they trot out Donald Stephenson at LT.
As they goddamned well better. Stephenson was downright good at LT. Not elite. Not great but good. Fisher was a cluster**** at the easier tackle spot.

If he lights the world on fire, switch them. But opening day starter at LT must be Stephenson.


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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10475823)
My sincere best wishes to the guy, his conduct here was exemplary... don't gimme the "didn't wanna move to guard" stuff either, you wouldn't want that pay cut either after proving yourself capable at LT.

He was damn solid for us, a rare bright spot on some truly dismal teams, guy barely even talked until he'd been here 4-5 years, just shut his mouth and played football.

The Fins are getting a good, solid player on and off the field... good luck Branden, its just business and math between us, nothing more.
This. And the fact remains we used #1 overall to replace a good player we let walk. This is why you don't use top 5 picks to replace good players. You fill some giant ass hole somewhere you obviously have or you wouldn't be top 5.

mcaj22 03-10-2014 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10476472)
There were definitely several people who were quite vocal about the idea that the No. 1 overall pick (or anyone taken in the top 5) could not be a player who needed to develop/might need to spend some time sitting before he was a capable NFL player.

Fisher to a small extent and Joeckel to a much larger one were trumpeted as the "safe" and "right" picks because of this.
and the guys that ended up being the best day 1 starters not only fell out of the top 10, but had red flags galore. (Star and Richardson)

BigMeatballDave 03-10-2014 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10476478)
As they goddamned well better. Stephenson was downright good at LT. Not elite. Not great but good. Fisher was a cluster**** at the easier tackle spot.

If he lights the world on fire, switch them. But opening day starter at LT must be Stephenson..
We really have no idea how OTAs and training camp will go.

They made the investment on Fisher at 1.1, he'll get ever opportunity to start at LT.

Buehler445 03-10-2014 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 10476487)
We really have no idea how OTAs and training camp will go.

They made the investment on Fisher at 1.1, he'll get ever opportunity to start at LT.
**** that. Stephenson showed it on the field. How many times have we heard from Gretz, Reid Ferren, who the **** ever else that someone was lighting up OTAs, camp, walking down the street, what the **** ever.

Kris Wilson
Boomer Grigsby at FB (LOL)
Brodie Croyle
John Baldwin

It happens every stinking year. **** that. Start Stephenson. If Fisher demolishes worlds at RT, give him a look. Keep Alex Smith upright in the interim.


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