ChiefsPlanet
Page 6 of 13 « First 2345 6 78910 Last »
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Chiefs' defense is on its way to being historically bad (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=295100)

Easy 6 10-06-2015 06:09 PM
jonzie, how are Poes SIX sacks from a nose tackle last year average?

Like I said to Clay, lets atleast rag on the right people.

ThaVirus 10-06-2015 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11779962)
Pretty sure he said playoffs and/or SB.

You have to win those 28-24 games to get to the SB.

This site is so ridiculous when it comes to defense.

We gave up an average of 17.6 PPG last season and there were still people blaming the defense.

With all of the rule changes that make it easier on offenses and a ridiculous pay scale that emphasizes QB play, it shouldn't be the defense that's expected to carry you.

mcaj22 10-06-2015 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11779844)
Obviously Sutton plays a big role, and he is putting a lot of his guys in position to fail, and he isn't putting guys in position to succeed. Branch covering Cobb in the slot, Berry being the single high safety vs being the box safety which is what got him first team all pro honors.. Parker our saftey with the most range, who also can't tackle playing in the box, Hali playing man coverage against a 4.5 TE, Our only edge rusher worth a hoot (Houston) dropping back on obvious passing downs etc. But in the end of the day our so called pro bowlers aren't even playing at an average level... They all have legitimate reasons, but it's the gods honest truth. And that is not Suttons fault.
DJ is old and is coming off an achilles injury. Hali is old, Poe was average last year, and he's coming off a back injury, Berry just had a cancer a few months ago.

You can blame Sutton for a hell of a lot of things, but you cant blame him for Hali not contaning the edge on literally every outside play to his side. You can't blame him for Poe getting blown off the ball, and not getting any sort of pass rush what so ever. You can't blame him for DJ getting blocked out of plays, whiffing on tackles, and getting burnt in coverage by running backs. You can't blame him for our entire secondary offering 0 run support. You can't blame him Allen Bailey getting blown off the ball, and getting 2 pressures on the QB all game.
or the fact that we have 2 interceptions and 1 forced fumble and are one of the worst in the league at generating turnovers from this scheme, which I believe is Sutton putting people in the completely wrong place rather than guys just turning into "average" overnight like you are basing your point on.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2015 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11779973)
This site is so ridiculous when it comes to defense.

We gave up an average of 17.6 PPG last season and there were still people blaming the defense.

With all of the rule changes that make it easier on offenses and a ridiculous pay scale that emphasizes QB play, it shouldn't be the defense that's expected to carry you.
This.

Apparently it takes 11 PPG against for the defense to make Alex Smith look good.

(first 9 games of 2013)

oaklandhater 10-06-2015 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11779973)
This site is so ridiculous when it comes to defense.

We gave up an average of 17.6 PPG last season and there were still people blaming the defense.

With all of the rule changes that make it easier on offenses and a ridiculous pay scale that emphasizes QB play, it shouldn't be the defense that's expected to carry you.
This it starts at QB

Nightfyre 10-06-2015 06:14 PM
I don't know how you expect the defense to succeed when you start every game with several consecutive three and outs on offense .

tk13 10-06-2015 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 11779981)
I don't know how you expect the defense to succeed when you start every game with several consecutive three and outs on offense .
Cincinnati came right down the field and scored on the opening possession last week. We've allowed 150+ plus yards in the 1st quarter each of the last two weeks. If our defense is gassed after 5 minutes on the field, that's a problem.

Saccopoo 10-06-2015 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 11779580)
Thanks for the avatar call out.

And if we go 2 -14 and don't draft a QB with 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 I'm done as a fan of this team...as I say every year.
And what QB would that be that will save this franchise that you are advocating drafting at that lofty position?

Saccopoo 10-06-2015 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 11779981)
I don't know how you expect the defense to succeed when you start every game with several consecutive three and outs on offense .
How about our defense doing the same thing to the opposing offense?

oaklandhater 10-06-2015 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11779995)
And what QB would that be that will save this franchise that you are advocating drafting at that lofty position?
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/qsGHAEUwvRc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

tk13 10-06-2015 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11779973)
This site is so ridiculous when it comes to defense.

We gave up an average of 17.6 PPG last season and there were still people blaming the defense.

With all of the rule changes that make it easier on offenses and a ridiculous pay scale that emphasizes QB play, it shouldn't be the defense that's expected to carry you.
You're surely joking. This site is offense, offense all the way. All the loudest people are almost universally people who think QB is the most important position and the be all and end all of football success. Defense is just a road bump you can gloss over if you have a great QB.

I think the defense was very good last year. I think the offense should shoulder most of the blame for our lack of success. I think the defense was terrible in the playoff game two years ago, and so far this year they have been below average. They've been completely destroyed the last two weeks, and every time they had a chance to shut the door against Manning they allowed an 80 yard drive. It's possible to be bad at more than one thing at a time.

The last time we were in the playoffs we allowed 45 points. The Seahawks won it all that year and allowed less than that in 3 games combined.

tk13 10-06-2015 06:37 PM
Of course the other irony of this argument is we actually have a QB who's held his own in maybe the two wildest playoff shootouts of this decade. Even though he's clearly not playing at that level now.

QB's who've won a playoff game this decade when their defense allows 30+ points:

Matt Hasselbeck
Tom Brady
Joe Flacco
Andrew Luck
Colin Kaepernick
Alex Smith

jonzie04 10-06-2015 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11779970)
jonzie, how are Poes SIX sacks from a nose tackle last year average?

Like I said to Clay, lets atleast rag on the right people.

How many of those sacks came from when he was actually lined up at 0 or shade? maybe 1 or 2? A lot of those sacks that he got were from Houston and Hali forcing the QB to step right up into him. He was not an elite pass rusher last year, as he didn't create very many hurries himself. According to PFF he only had 18.. Guys like Suh Atkins Babineaux etc were all around 40. and there were over 25 DT's/NT's that created 15 or more pressures. Couple that with his run defense being below average last year, and that made him an average player last year. The guy got blown off the ball multiple times in nearly every game last year... He got his ass handed to him vs Green Bay last week.

jonzie04 10-06-2015 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 11779974)
or the fact that we have 2 interceptions and 1 forced fumble and are one of the worst in the league at generating turnovers from this scheme, which I believe is Sutton putting people in the completely wrong place rather than guys just turning into "average" overnight like you are basing your point on.
If you want to live in LALA land then have at it... Blame everything on Sutton. Pay more attention during the games dude... We have multiple guys nearly every game drop EASY interceptions. I guess that is Suttons fault as well? And forcing fumbles? LOL psh, guys like Parker, Mauga, Smith, Gaines are all lucky to even make a tackle. They are all among the worst at their positions in the NFL at tackling. They could only dream of securing a tackle AND going for a strip. Except for Parker that one time. I guess thats Suttons fault as well.

ThaVirus 10-06-2015 08:19 PM
Chiefs' defense is on its way to being historically bad
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11780006)
You're surely joking. This site is offense, offense all the way. All the loudest people are almost universally people who think QB is the most important position and the be all and end all of football success. Defense is just a road bump you can gloss over if you have a great QB.



I think the defense was very good last year. I think the offense should shoulder most of the blame for our lack of success. I think the defense was terrible in the playoff game two years ago, and so far this year they have been below average. They've been completely destroyed the last two weeks, and every time they had a chance to shut the door against Manning they allowed an 80 yard drive. It's possible to be bad at more than one thing at a time.



The last time we were in the playoffs we allowed 45 points. The Seahawks won it all that year and allowed less than that in 3 games combined.

We have one of the best running backs of all time, who continues to produce at an insane level year after year, and yet our offense consistently flounders.

We've seen the All-22 of receivers wide open.

We've seen him eat sacks in field goal range.

We've seen him get delay of game penalties coming off of timeouts.

We've seen him run for 30 yards in Hail Mary situations.

We've seen him run out of bounds in Hail Mary situations.

We've seen him stare down the rush with receivers open down field.

We've seen him go a full calendar year without a TD to a WR.

Cut the shit. It's the ****ing QB.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:50 PM.
Page 6 of 13 « First 2345 6 78910 Last »
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.