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Demonpenz 12-27-2016 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 12644296)
What? The WCO isn't an NFL offense? Don't tell Bill Walsh that.
He's dead af

chiefzilla1501 12-27-2016 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 12645341)
He's dead af
Now that's an offensive line

splatbass 12-27-2016 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 12645341)
He's dead af
Yeah, but his NFL offense is still alive.

RunKC 12-27-2016 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12644450)
Link?

I must have missed that one and it's tough for me to believe our OL wenr to shit running blocking when we lost a rookie guard.
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12639280)
Spencer Ware with Parker Ehinger: 5.7 YPC
Spencer Ware in 7 games since losing Parker Ehinger: 3.04 YPC

Dane is right
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...0#post12639280

Mr. Laz 12-27-2016 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12644457)
You are literally the only poster on this board that thinks that Fulton is playing better than Ehinger was. He did struggle a bit early on, but he was improving every week. And there is no doubt that the running game has not been the same since he got injured. But I guess that the entire board is wrong about him and that you alone have this right. SMH. I would like to see the PFF stats on week by week grades for Ehinger and Fulton for the entire season. I'm confident that they would prove what the rest of us see. With Clay gone, who else does the PFF stats?
Why? If PFF doesn't say what you want them to say you will just ignore it or say that PFF sucks.

Mr. Laz 12-27-2016 07:40 PM
Houston vs Chiefs top offensive grades according to @PFF
Fulton, 76.9
Fisher, 75.3
West, 65.2
Conley, 60.7
Maclin, 59.1

Mr. Laz 12-27-2016 07:43 PM
Chiefs/Colts

PFF Top offensive grades

TE Travis Kelce 90.0
LT Eric Fisher 83.6
WR Tyreek Hill 80.2
LG Zach Fulton 74.9
C Mitch Morse 73.2

Mr. Laz 12-27-2016 07:44 PM
Dec 25 Chiefs/Denver

Top offensive grades:
TE Travis Kelce, 85.6
OG Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff, 81.8
RB Spencer Ware, 791
OG Zach Fulton, 78.9
OT Mitchell Schwartz, 78.6

Mr. Laz 12-27-2016 07:46 PM
Chiefs vs Chicago

First team O-line solid despite late substitution at center

Zach Fulton didn’t learn until the coin toss that he would be starting the game at center due to the late illness of Mitch Morse, but he acquitted himself well, keeping a clean sheet in pass protection and making the odd play in the run game, though he was more hit-or-miss there. Eric Fisher had an excellent game at left tackle, surrendering just one hurry on 34 pass-blocking snaps, and Mitchell Schwartz looked solid on the other side. Only really Laurent Duvernay-Tardif let the side down in pass protection a little, surrendering three pressures, but still not embarrassing himself. The O-line for Kansas City has been up and down in recent years, but this was an encouraging display.

Mr. Laz 12-27-2016 07:49 PM
Chiefs/Jets

PFF Offensive line grades
OT Mitch Schwartz: 63
OT Eric Fisher: 63
G Jordan Devey: 63
G Zach Fulton: 63
C Mitch Morse: 63

jjchieffan 12-27-2016 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12645370)
Why? If PFF doesn't say what you want them to say you will just ignore it or say that PFF sucks.
PFF does suck. But I would still be interested to see what their grades say. I think you're wrong, most of CP thinks you're wrong. The question is, what does the independent site say? Do they agree with Laz or everyone else?

ThaVirus 12-27-2016 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12645350)

I don't buy it. No way a rookie guard is the difference between Jamaal Charles production and Knile Davis production.

There has to be something else as well.

Mr. Laz 12-27-2016 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12645411)
PFF does suck. But I would still be interested to see what their grades say. I think you're wrong, most of CP thinks you're wrong. The question is, what does the independent site say? Do they agree with Laz or everyone else?
I don't have a subscription with PFF but i just found 4 games where they had Fulton graded in the top offensive scores.

He's played in 11 games this year, one at center and 10 at guard.

He got PFF honorable mention in his 1 game at center and was list among the top offensive scores in 4 out of the 10 games at guard.

Might be more, those are the only ones i found since i don't have access to them.

Easy 6 12-27-2016 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12645427)
I don't buy it. No way a rookie guard is the difference between Jamaal Charles production and Knile Davis production.

There has to be something else as well.
I dont either

Ehringer may have been a solid rookie, but dont tell me he is the BIG difference right now because I'm not buying it

We're a finesses line that values athleticism/second level mobility over mass and brute strength, and thats great when it works between the 20s... but down in the final 10 yards, its can be a problem

DaneMcCloud 12-27-2016 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12645451)
I dont either

Ehringer may have been a solid rookie, but dont tell me he is the BIG difference right now because I'm not buying it

We're a finesses line that values athleticism/second level mobility over mass and brute strength, and thats great when it works between the 20s... but down in the final 10 yards, its can be a problem
Well, you and the others are wrong.

Ehinger was struggling in Pass Pro but was far more athletic than Fulton on running plays, often helping to create space.

Fulton is okay in Pass Pro but sucks run blocking. Morse bailed his ass out several times on Sunday.


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