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TEX 08-28-2018 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13696975)
I think the front 7 is much better than it was last season, but I'm incredibly concerned about the secondary. Fuller hasn't spent much time playing on the outside in the league, so he's got a task ahead of him. Nelson has traditionally been shitty matching up on the outside, but solid yet unspectacular in the slot. There are literally no other corners on the roster worth a shit. I'm not so sure Berry makes it through the year with a gimp heel once again. Sorensen being out is a dagger back there because what's behind him is much worse. Murray has proven to be more of a liability than an asset at safety and he's too slow to play this scheme as a CB. He's a zone corner best suited for cover 2. Watts appears to have a ways to go yet and McQuay just looks lost.

Veach has to be on top of the waiver wire during cuts or this could be a long season for this defense. It's a passing league and I don't think the Chiefs have the tools to defend it.


No worries - It's just August 28. We still have 11 whole days before the season starts. Plus, it's a 3pm kickoff so we even have a few extra hours longer than we normally would.

Red Dawg 08-28-2018 03:42 PM

WHY HASN'T HE DONE ANYTHING? WHY IS OUR SECONDARY DOG SHIT!

UChieffyBugger 08-28-2018 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 13696201)
The Defense:

Secondary
Nelson - JAG
Fuller - Up and coming young talent
Amerson - JAG- (One of the worst CB's in the league)
Berry - Overpaid former Pro Bowler (worth every penny IF healthy)
Murray - JAG
Scandrick - JAG

Front Seven

Hitchens (ILB) - JAG (paid too much for what he brings)
Houston (OLB) - Overpaid former Pro Bowler (Often missing when most needed)
Ford/Kpass (OLB) - Ford = BUST / Kpass - Up & Coming Talent
Bailey (DE) - JAG
Jones (DE) - Up and coming Talent
Williams (DT) - JAG
Ragland - JAG (Until he proves he can stay healthy)

SO - we have 2 former overpaid Pro Bowlers who are not living up to their contracts. 3 young guys with talent. 6 / 7 JAGS at any given time with Amerison needing to be cut yesterday

Not good is how I see it. :shrug:

Well imo "up and coming talent" doesn't mean they aren't TOP CLASS players, does it? Deshaun Watson was an up and coming player and look what he was doing before he got injured? What about Wentz? No need to downplay a guy just to make a point. Jones, Fuller and Ragland have the potential to be very good players I think.

TEX 08-28-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 13697132)
Well imo "up and coming talent" doesn't mean they aren't TOP CLASS players, does it? Deshaun Watson was an up and coming player and look what he was doing before he got injured? What about Wentz? No need to downplay a guy just to make a point. Jones, Fuller and Ragland have the potential to be very good players I think.

What are you even talking about? Downplaying what? Watson and Wentz were 1st rounders.

All the guys I listed as "up and coming talent" means that I think they can be good players. I have a different opinion of Ragland - I think he's injured goods and will not reach his potential because of it. We'll know soon enough.

UChieffyBugger 08-28-2018 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 13697174)
What are you even talking about? Downplaying what? Watson and Wentz were 1st rounders.

All the guys I listed as "up and coming talent" means that I think they can be good players. I have a different opinion of Ragland - I think he's injured goods and will not reach his potential because of it.

Er an "up and coming talent" is YOUNG TALENT!!...regardless of where they were drafted. That phrase is a complete cop-out. They are either good enough, or they aren't, it's that simple. Stop trying to muddy the waters because all it does is render your argument feeble.

kccrow 08-28-2018 04:25 PM

Edit... Wrong thread

BlackOp 08-28-2018 04:36 PM

One thing that cant be denied is Veach definitely is attempting to "fix" the defense. He allocated the entire draft to it and picked up Hitchens and Fuller. Signed Amerson and Scandrick too...not saying they will all work out. He also cut all the dead weight from last year...

I think they will be better than 2017...by how much, who knows.

I'm surprised they haven't addressed the Safety market....both Berry and Sorenson are injured. Very strange...but Chunts not going to contest the NFLs blackball agenda thats going on.

TEX 08-29-2018 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 13697182)
Er an "up and coming talent" is YOUNG TALENT!!...regardless of where they were drafted. That phrase is a complete cop-out. They are either good enough, or they aren't, it's that simple. Stop trying to muddy the waters because all it does is render your argument feeble.

You're completely off here with your "cop out" take friend... I gave my opinion. My opinion has my meaning, NOT yours. I listed players who I felt had a chance to become something and assigned them the term, "Up and coming" to indicate they could be something some day. The end... YOU mentioned two #1 draft picks and interjected YOUR meaning (TOP CLASS) to what I was saying. I'm not making any "argument", but you obviously are. I think we're talking about the same thing anyway... Nobody, other than yourself "is muddying waters" here. Do you have comprehension issues or something? :shrug:

Rausch 08-29-2018 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 13697203)

I'm surprised they haven't addressed the Safety market....both Berry and Sorenson are injured. Very strange...but Chunts not going to contest the NFLs blackball agenda thats going on.

Did our rookie (S) play last game? I didn't watch hardly any of the 2nd half...


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