They made bad decision after bad decision..those are just a few, other this idea that the entire universe should be really dark and brooding.

Superman is not a ****ing dark and brooding character.

Superman is a boring as **** character who shouldn’t be relied on to carry an entire trilogy by himself.

Imagine a MoS sequel with Green Arrow or WW introduced to help? Count me in.

He is, but he's the boyscout character and there are tons of people that would love to do a Superman movie.

They need to replace every single person in that division, they just have no idea what they're doing.

Gunn's already announced his Superman is loosely based off of All-Star Superman, which is more of the boy scout vibe you're referring to.

I think DC can produce decent superhero movies if WB doesn't ****ing meddle with everything. In terms of writing, Joker and Nolan trilogy are far superior to any story written in the MCU save for Infinity War/Endgame (which are mega events), and Winter Soldier. I also think DC's "worst" movies can be way worse than Marvel's worst. Marvel, for the better part of the past 15 years, has made movies that don't rock the boat too much. Not as much upside to great but still less downside to be bad.

If Gunn's given full control to do whatever the **** he wants, their movies should be fine. I think Marvel's in a vulnerable position given a majority of their movies have been super mid since Endgame and are now tied to an actor who has some pretty serious allegations against him. No way in hell will the DCU come close to the MCU, but the next few years should help secure it's footing while the DCEU was put behind the 8 ball with the MCU having a 5 year head start.

If not, DC is ****ed.

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lmao

as usual comic book purists over-analyze everything at an extremely autistic level and can't just enjoy the movie

iron man 3 is widely regarded as one of the worst MCU movies, which was even apparent to non-sperglords, and this was FAR better than that mess

the flash even has a higher RT than man of steel right now but you wouldn't know it by some of these reactions

idiots acting like it's green lantern level

Iron Man 3 wasn't good, there are numerous movies that were done by Marvel in that period that were nothing jobs or just bland. The issue though is DC didn't earn the eh well there will be a few bad ones sometimes but they'll get the important stuff right, that Marvel did.

I used to agree but lately I've flopped. I think Superman is pretty ****ing awesome.

A lot of people don't like the invulnerable Boy Scout deal, but if you focus on the positives, he's pretty dope.

He definitely benefits from getting his interposal relationships right as well as a strong villain. That's true for basically all superheroes except Spider-Man and Batman, though, so I won't hold that against him.

It’s not bad at all.

People are just using their pre-viewing DC biased hate to shit over it.

He can be interesting if you focus on the idea of an alien wanting to be human.

Otherwise, he’s an OP NPC.

The issue though is, if you take away what Superman is, you destroy him as a character. Him being moral and the boy scout is who he is, he does the right thing, if you make him this dark brooding dude who's mad about what happened to him and his dad etc...then he just becomes a Batman offshoot.

Not really the thread for it but one of my fave Superman moments:

While I enjoy the Dark Knight something I've heard and I'll agree with is, that trilogy is literally just 3 crime drama's where they just add in Batman characters.

the issue is that you think almost everything sucks because you are a miserable person

iron man 3 was a fun watch too

No I really don't to be honest. But there's a reason a superhero movie made 55 million dollars in it's opening weekend, someone ****ed up.

Warner turned off all of the fans and ****ed it up, period.