Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16877018)

See, you're trying to base your entire argument on past production-so much, in fact, that you're willing to pay a premium for it on the open market.

But it's a false premise.

IF Veach and Reid don't go out and sign a Dhop or Beckham, it's because they feel really good about the capabilities they have in the room. They're projecting production because it's literally their job to do so.

When you're paying an elite QB, and you're drafting around 30 every year, you have to.

You look at Moore and say- It's insane to think he can go from 22 catches to 80! That's nuts!

But it's not really. Andy Reid is saying as much. Veach has said as much. What they've done in free agency doesn't say that they're all that concerned.

To grow your young talent, you have to actually play them. Look at Christian Watson. Stunk up the first half of the season, was a TD machine in the second half. We went slower with Moore because, you know, we were actually trying to win a Super Bowl. But if Andy's saying he expects Moore and Toney to play bigger roles, then that's what they're planning on doing.

They'll sign an insurance policy, and they'll draft a WR. I imagine the only reason they haven't signed Watson back yet is because they're looking at a couple of options that might have more upside. But they're not going to be #1WR types.

If they were doing that, they'd have cleared a lot more cap space, and it would be done already.

We're growing our own here, boys. It's not going to look comforting on paper before the games start, but if Andy's alright with it, we ought to have a little faith.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16876992)

Cool, give me your season record prediction right now. This will be fun.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16877002)

Well sure. But for whatever reason it took both of them years to get right in NE. No idea why, but obviously they didn't hit the ground running. And both turned out to be very high-level players, so it wasn't for lack of brains or ability.

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16877023)

This is an inaccurate statement.

While it did take Edelman a few years to get up to speed as 7th round pick by the Pats in 2009, Welker had proven himself a solid WR with Miami. Pats traded for him and he IMMEDIATELY hit the ground running with 3 straight 100 reception, 1000 yard seasons in his first 3 years with New England.

Don’t make blanket statements if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16876992)

Cool, give me your season record prediction right now. This will be fun.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16877021)

I've always said that we're probably not getting DHop. I just don't like OBJ. My theory has always been some possession WR (hopefully more dynamic than JuJu).

But the problem with your argument is that you expect Toney to play 17 games. And you expect Skyy to improve his production rate by a factor of 4. That's about 120 targets to get to 80 catches. When's the last time we saw that happen? Not just in KC, I mean ever? Never mind that you can't compare him to C. Watson. The guy's 6'5" and runs like a deer. Skyy is neither.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16877027)

This seems to imply that Welker wasn't all that in MIA.
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WelkWe00.htm

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16877022)

Who are we playing? I haven't seen the 2023 schedule yet.

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16877034)

This was your quote:

“But for whatever reason, it took both of them years to get right in New England”

You were wrong.

Own it and quit talking out your ass to make a point.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16877037)

About Wes I got it wrong. Not that it matters, after all it's just Wes. Still, he took several years to become a legit WR in the NFL, and Edelman did take a couple years to figure it out in NE for whatever reason, that still stands.

You may piss off now.

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16877043)

I called you out on an inaccurate statement and you tried to divert away from it.

You were so eager to make a point and you were just throwing BS out there.

But thank you for finally admitting you were talking out of your ass.


And you too, sir, may **** off now . . . . .

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16877044)

Guys, they told us during the combine. They told us the other day. They keep telling us what they're doing.

Every big name free agent other than batshit crazy Odell was signed elsewhere. Arizona thinks they can get a haul for Dhop.

It ain't happening.

You want to stay on top, you have to grow your own. If you're paying your elite QB, you have to grow your stars around him.

We're growing our own, this is the process now, and it's as it should be.

They didn't want any of the guys for $10m. Didn't want the guys for $6m.

Drafting and developing is what they're doing. Get used to it.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16877048)

My point, dipstick, was merely that both players took time to become legitimate WRs in the NFL. The exact geographical location of where that happened wasn't really the point of my statement. In fact, if you had better reading comprehension you could've figured that part out for yourself, and we wouldn't have had to go down this rabbithole, dumbass.

Now please, nlm

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16877032)

I'm not EXPECTING anything other than Andy Reid and Brett Veach know what they're doing, really.

I would THINK they'll get a guy with good size and some upside still on the table to fill a spot in the room as insurance. And I would THINK they'll draft a guy early with potential to develop into a stud.

And I THINK we can count on continued development in the running game, enough to keep defenses honest, with Pacheco in year two. I THINK they'll bring back Mckinnon, I'd be really surprised if not.

The only other thing I EXPECT is that this defense is going to better out of the gate than last year's, with all those kids getting all those snaps last year. And Omenihu is a real nice signing. I think that looks like a top ten defense with potential to be top five.

So, you know, maybe we don't have to score 35 points every game. Maybe we can win 24-17 more often.

I EXPECT that Veach and Reid are going to put a contender for the Super Bowl on the field. If this WR room, plus a vet, and probably a draftee is something they're comfortable with, I trust them to know what they're doing.