Okay, fine. You're right. Aaron Curry is the first 250-pound LB to ever enter the draft. 4-3 LBs aren't converted into 3-4 OLBs because THEY ARE NOT PASS RUSHERS. You apparently think that all pass rushing is just about running after the QB on the blitz. It's not. There is a ton of technique and it takes years to perfect. And those who work at it often still don't get it right. You have to know how to time the snaps, play with your hands on the ground at times, explode off the snap (very important), know a wide assortment of pass rush moves, be proficient at shedding blocks when engaged, know how to swim past left tackles who are very, very good at blocking you. We have little evidence about how he can do on these things. But what we do know is that he won't be nearly as good at it as a DE who has trained on this for the past 4 years.

You act as if the only thing that's important for a 3-4 OLB is to have speed and size. That's not the case. You have to know how to play the position. Aaron Curry does NOT know how to play the position. He can do 25% of it, but is extremely raw at the other 75% of it. 4-3 OLBs aren't picked to play 3-4 OLB not because of physical stature, but because they lack the skill set to play DE.

Aaron Curry is a top 10 pick because he has a complete skill set. And his strength is in pass coverage and in instincts--those are two things he would do significantly less of in a 3-4 as an OLB. If you draft him as a 3-4 OLB, you are essentially asking him to do a lot less of what he is really, really good at, and asking him to do a lot more of what we know nothing about--his pass rushing ability. Rather than gamble on an undersized LB with virtually no training as a pass rusher and little in-game experience at it, why don't you do what 100% of 3-4 defenses are doing? Draft a DE and then force them to become at least average at LB responsibilities.

Sorry, you keep saying that playing Curry at 3-4 OLB isn't an exception. And yet you can't answer the question of why 100% of 3-4 OLBs played DE in college and why 15 of 16 3-4 OLBs weigh more than Curry does. And don't tell me that Curry is the only 250+-pound LB to enter the draft. He isn't.

1st 250 lb LBer to enter the draft?

Smoke another one, bud.

Nothing you said applies to what I said.

I dont care if he can rush the passer. I'd still take him. What part of that dont you get? I simply said you dont know he cant do it, and that translates into me claiming he's good at it. you're just looking for an arguement, and putting words in my mouth.

Inside, outside, middle, I dont give a shit. I take Curry at #3 because he's the best player at a position of need.

Find another cause buddy. You're pissing in the wind.

If he's gone, then maybe I look at a DE. Otherwise I pick Curry reguardless. I cant be any clearer than that.

Let's hear your perfect player @3 and I'll show you how to effectively pick them apart. Since you're obviously interested in a pissing contest. Give us your "better player than Curry" that warrants the 3rd pick in the draft.

We already have our two starting middle linebackers.

Zach Thomas didn't come here to sit on the bench.

And we're not going to draft Curry, pay him 50 mil, and sit him on the bench.

And he's not going to play outside linebacker.

It's cute that you think you have a football opinion of any reasonable value. You are the anti-knowledge.

Zack Thomas........hahahahaha.

Mmm...they don't like it when REALITY pisses all over their Chosen One, yes?

Bwuhahahahahahaaaa!

The 250 lb reference is in response to your claim that Curry has the size and stature that OLBs never had, therefore making it more likely that he'll be a successful pass rusher. And I'm telling you that hundreds of 250+ LBs have entered drafts the past 10 years, and yet 0 of the 8 teams that run 3-4 defenses have drafted a LB to play OLB. You keep acting like it's some small fact that 100% of 3-4 OLBs played DE in college. So if you claim that Curry has a strong likelihood of succeeding as a 3-4 OLB in spite of the fact that NFL teams almost never use OLBs to play 3-4 OLB, then you're the one who's smoking something.

And if you're suggesting that Curry should be taken at #3 as an ILB, then that means you have no understanding of positional value. ILBs in a 3-4 are role players. They are not guys you spend your top 5 pick on. Why do you think Kendrell Bell was a stud in Pittsburgh but a dud in KC?

Aaron Curry is only a top 5 pick if he's going to play in a 4-3 defense. As a 3-4 OLB, he is extremely raw and 8 NFL teams say that 4-3 OLBs don't make good 3-4 OLBs. On the inside, you are wasting his versatility by putting him into a role situation. From a positional value standpoint, the only LB worth taking in a top 5 is an OLB that can rush the passer CONSISTENTLY. And players like Everett Brown and Robert Ayers and Aaron Maybin have spent their entire college career rushing the passer. They are not better players than Curry, but in a 3-4, they will make a far greater impact and as pass rushers (which is the primary role of a 3-4 OLB), they are far better than Curry is.

And of course, from a pure impact standpoint, BJ Raji carries far more value than Curry. The nose tackle is the most important player on the field.

You are making the suggestion that the Chiefs force Curry into a role that goes against his strengths. And you're the one pissing in the wind, not me. Feel free to post a poll on the Planet and see how many people think Aaron Curry will be a successful 3-4 OLB.

Don't be a dick.

Dont be a thief with no integrity and I'll consider showing you respect. You have earned my contempt for you. No need to cry about it. You deserve it.

Raji, huh? You take a pot head #3 over all? He's not even that great a NT. Just the highest rated one in this draft. One with a drug problem.

But by your postings it's obvious your a pothead too. Otherwise, you would have understood some of my posts, and not repeat yourself over and over. You're still doing it, even though I pointed it out to you.

See....that didn't take long.

You're a tool. And not even a useful one. More like the stripped phillips head that can never find purchase on the screw.

It's sad that you've chosen to spend your final days being an asshole.

Lets look at all QB's taken in the top ten since 1990, that's far enough back. There were 26 QB's taken in the top ten since 1990, of those 14 were what I would consider busts, again, I'm not even counting JaMarcus Russell, although I think in a few years I could. I think this is a large enough sample set to give a good idea that drafting a QB high, is around a 50-50 proposition.

You need to focus more on being a man than worrying about me. I treat people who act like men like men. I treat those that act like a thief, like a thief. It has nothing to do with being an asshole. It has everything to do with not being fake. A person in thier last days doesn't want to die settling. I stand on my own principals and dont settle for relationships based on need.

I look around at my life and see a son that I can be proud of that I raised. One with integrity. Friends that I have inspired to be better men. A wife that is the best woman I have ever known, that inspires me to be a better man. You know, people that have earned my respect. Trying to build a bridge to a mound of shit like yourself would only devalue my life and what I stand for.

That doesn't make me an ass. An ass lives off his mom for the rest of his life. Taking money from posters in bets when he wins, and not paying up when he loses. An asshole thinks he has arrived by his persona on a football message board instead of getting his life together. No one takes you serioiusly here.

The difference is my life and accomplishments dont revolve around Chiefsplanet. I live a life where I have been a major player in family, friends, and business.

Dont pity me. Pity your mother.

Damn son.

It really is a pity you've chosen to act this way, dude.

I'll pray for you.

I said this long ago and it still holds true if you draft Curry 3 you are putting Derrick Johnson on your bench and telling him "You're done here"

Also anyone that thinks Colt McCoy is a great NFL prospect needs their head examined.

Hahahaha.

Thanks ol' buddy.

BTW, I was this way toward you long before I even knew I was terminal. You know this.

Leave it to a man of weak moral fiber to use it as a tool to save his perceived reputaion on a football message board.

Nothing that has been stated in this thread has anything to do with my health. Yet of those who know, you and only you use it when you're being challenged. Like a weapon to attempt to salvage said reputaion. Heh heh

And you call me an asshole.

Seriously if you wanna argue for Curry go ahead just be realistic about it. Say you think he'll be Pat Willis as an inside backer or something, don't give me this pass rusher crap.

Well, you give me little reason to think otherwise.

At least I won't have to deal with you much longer.

Put that in your prayer for me, could ya?

You see, this is exacly what I meant. Why be nice to someone with your moral standing. See how cheaply you sell your self respect. It would only make me a fake. I instead look you in the eye and tell you what I think of you.

Then you look me in the chest and prove me right.

It's a message board dude. Whatever.

You're a nice enough guy when you decide to contribute meaningful posts instead of just being a dick for no reason. Why you feel the need to do that is beyond me. Were I in your position I'd try to be a little more pleasant.

To each his own.

Claythan... you're a sad bitter man and you'll likely die a sad bitter man.

Funny...I was saying that about CrazyHorse just a minute ago.

I'm not bitter toward anyone, anywhere, whatsoever. I don't hold grudges. Life is too short.

WHAT'S this final days stuff?? you OK horse?

wow so crazyhorse is terminal and claythan says this???? bannable IMO MODS???

REP.

You may not hold grudges, but you're an ass. You've always been an ass with no life, outside of what you piece together on message boards. Sadly, if the internet were to go away... you'd be nothing, back to life before 10 years ago. You've improved to a certain degree since your early days, but the bottom line... you're way too self-absorbed for your own good.

The positive for you is that the Internet won't be going away and much like a cockroach, neither will you.

I have pulmonary fibrosis. Diagnosed a year ago. Probably got about a year left without lung transplant. With lung transplant who knows.

i dont talk much about it because it has nothing to do with football and it tends to get in the way of fluid dialogue.

It's just the way it is and I'm smelling the roses in the meantime. Life is good.

Gochiefs is just a chump that has decided to use it to his advantage somehow. His life....not so good.

I gather you are ill, I have not heard about it but my thoughts are with you.
As far as gochiefs :rolleyes: less some like minded troll types that seem to follow him like a cult figure everyone else that has been around here sees him for what he is.

It's the internet.

Try not to take it so seriously.

Life is messed up sometimes... just make the most of what you have and spend your time wisely. Hopefully, everything is good with your family (be with them, have fun) and don't let anything go 'unsettled'.

Best wishes to you and your family.

You have what many of us never get... you have a window of time to appreciate what you have, and many of us never realize it until it's too late.

Ok, now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

Thanks. Yeah, him and a few others are impressed enough with him for us all I guess. But he actually thinks he is a valable member of not only this board, but his own life.

We've disagreed about a lot of football related things, but I definitely wish you the very best in some difficult times.

Seems like you have a great mindset about everything.

Alright you know what, CH, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have brought it up. But when you come in here and just start flinging dung, shit gets thrown back. I'm sure my apology is meaningless to you, though, me being such a terrible human being. Maybe for the sake of the board you should just put me on ignore, since you can't handle my absolute ignorance of NFL football.

sorry to hear about your condition, my prayers will be with you throughout. heres hoping you have another 10 years in ya;)

Wow. I don't know almost any of you guys personally, but this exchange is a new low for me on the planet. That is some hateful shit to say to somebody.:shake:

Maybe you should just tweak your approach... your act grew tiresome in 2004, time to consider something different.

no matter what he said about FOOTBALL for you to say something like that you deserve for the BOARD to put your lowlife ass on ignore, BANNED IMO

Well I'm glad your moral high horse trip only lasted for only two posts; at least I can thank Jesus for THAT today if nothing else!

Thanks.

I just dont want people to treat me with kid gloves because of it. I am not defined by my ilness but my life. All i ask is that you keep giving me the business like always.

All well wishes are appreciated.

Sorry, I learned from the best. You.

Damn gochiefs for once in your life take the high ground and let it go

oh you'll still get it, just IMO it should stick to football, not your illness.

This guy is nothing but an absolute asshole to me. On two boards. For no good god damn reason. I've never done a thing to him, until now. How would you take it?

No need to appologize.

Right, you'd be hellacool if that were the case.

Give me a break dude.

You cast the first stone.

yep an apology has no "buts"

Alright. I'll ban myself for a month. See ya.

yeah **** that we all know you have "dupes" mods should ban your IP

I have responded in ways I regreted later to someone who has angered me before, but you are showing poor form here, just let it go

you are an epic piece of shit


a self absorbed, worthless, piece of shit

Claythan. Just stop talking.
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You are the lowest form of life known to be in existance.
Do us all a favor and leave. I can't believe this place allows you here with the crap you pull.
Do you say that kind of stuff to your low life, non thnking, ignorant WPI patrons?

make it forever, we won't miss you or your crap

you say don't take the internet so seriously, then use the internet to justify your actions?

you were given a second chance to redeem yourself by a lot of the members of the board, and you just went and kicked it in the mouth.

Sorry to hear about your illness. Seriously, I wish you the best.

But back to football. Go ahead and ask how many people on this board think it's worth spending a #3 pick on an ILB or if Curry should play OLB in a 3-4. I guarantee that the majority with any knowledge of the game will tell you "no" on both accounts. I'm repeating myself because you still don't get that Curry doesn't belong on the outside of a 3-4 and you still don't get that ILBs don't belong in the top 5.

As for Raji... he's not my ideal #3. I actually don't really like anyone at #3. But in terms of impact, if he plays well at the nose tackle position, he's 100 times more valuable than Curry. ILBs are not that valuable in a 3-4. And Raji is one of the few chances you have at a nose tackle in this draft. If not that, then the three I mentioned for OLB/LB are far better bets too. And if the Chiefs aren't high on any of those three, then you go with Crabtree, given that Todd Haley loves to work with talented receivers. All five of those guys would have a bigger impact on the Chiefs than Curry in a 3-4.

Many of us I have tried to reach him in the past, I just did but only to try to get him to walk away from this. He is what he is a sad little person with serious issues. He lives his life through jocks and movie stars. A bitter bystander in life and as I have said before shame on his dad for allowing him to become what he is.

:thumb:

Wow.

I had no idea.

You and I have had our "go-rounds", but I sincerely wish you the best - keep fighting.

Great to hear you have such a positive outlook regarding it, I hope you're rewarded with many, many more years to enjoy.

Yes, Claythan was an ass. When, however, did he become a thief?

He was over on orangemane making a bet with a poster. Dont remember the bet. He makes many of them. Sig bets. Bets where he leaves for a month if wrong or the other poster leaves for said month if they are wrong.

One day he makes a bet for 50 dollars with a poster I wont name. That poster lost the bet. He paid gochiefs 50 dollars. What seemed like a few days later, gochiefs makes another bet that he will leave the forum for a term I dont remember. He lost. He never held up his end of the bet. On sevaral occasions after that he did the same thing. Until finally no one would bet him.

He had no problem taking money out of someones pocket. But he couldn't even stay gone (which costs nothing) for a few days. I told him then how I felt about it. I even explained the cost in terms of self respect that he was paying. I asked him to return the 50 dollars. He never has.

Instead, he crowed about the forum like he thought it was funny. Had a sinature that read "welcher and proud of it". Never has manned up. It's been well over a year.

Now he's crying that I'm picking on him. he still doesn't realize it's the cost of a lack of integrity that he's paying. Couple that with practically cheering my eventual death and the picture should become clear.

I understand it's a Bronco forum and all. But the make up of a man should not be sacrificed simply because of sports rivalries. He has shown over and over what he's about.

He goes through life with a feeling of entitlement that he hasn't earned. That's why he's in mommas basement, that's why he has no confidence with girls, that's why his opinion of himself has become dependent on something as detached as a football forum.

All prices for the lack of integrity he chooses not to have.

Burst = GONE.

Have you ever talked to him outside of football forums?

I know he has a history, and I know he was an asshole earlier. I'm not defending what he said to you at all. How fair is it to hold something against him that happened over a year ago, though?

I doubt he lasts the month he says he's going to be gone for, but I do know he feels bad.

No. I want some of whatever you're smokin. :)

I don't care what he's like outside this message board. He's tries to act like he's high and mighty on here. His whole image is built around his actions on this board. He's been an elitist asshole for years on here like we should bow to him because he's accomplished so much in life.

In terms of success, I'd rank him dead last out of every single poster on here. Seriously, who is in their late 20s and has the type of attitude he does? He has accomplished NOTHING in life. He acts like he's owed something because he works for basically a fan publication on the internet or because he can make highlight videos with the incredible amount of free time he has.

Now he's going to basically mock someone's terminal illness? Someone should beat the shit out of his goofy-looking ass. He's a piece of shit to the infinite power.

**** off.

No career, no social life outside the internet, no independence, no sexual relations with any breathing human being, no future, nothing.

Yeah, you're not bitter.

Mmm...Reality; the greatest drug of all.

(not really, but you get the gist. VIVA NARCOTICS!)

Agreed.

That sounds like doomy talking about me.

Fellas, I've been on here for a while. I do much more reading than writing. Don't start many threads. But I can tell you that the whole "sticks and stones" thing is BS. You words are powerful, both spoken and written. We will be held accountable for every one of them. I realize that you use boards for different things, venting, sparring, just comments. I actually use the planet because I like to talk football. I like the opinions and absolutely don't claim to be the most educated in it. Some of the slamming is exhaustive. I happen to know Crazyhorse and he spars over football personally with me as much as on this board. He is what he says about his family, friends, businessman, etc. Some of these comments are rediculous placed on these boards. Some of this stuff is not a game and is out of hand. Don't use a fanboard as a coward's whipping post. Not trying to "save" everybody or take the sarcasm out of everybody, though I choose to try to stay away from it personally. I'm not going to sprinkle holy water on you. But some of you seriously need to get a grip on yourself and don't let others work you up that much. This life and death stuff is for real. You words are seriously a lot more powerful than you realize.

As for ultimate carrer success, who knows which guy be the most successful? Don't underestimate how much of an impact their franchise will make. There's more than one desination I wouldn't want as a rookie NFL qb.

Cincy? :D

I couldn't go to Cincy even if I wanted to: My "RAP" sheet does fit the "profile". ;)

Boo-Yaaaaa!!!!
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You seems far too intelligent and thoughtful to be on Chiefs Planet. Careful you might get banned. ;)
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I have to echo the sentiment of the last few posts. I was gonna quote them but there became too many. Without question, Claythan is an absolute piece of shit and should be permanently IP banned. Just disgusting and beyond childish, even for him. You can tell he's a mom's-basement virgin who likes to follow the crowd, patterning himself after the message board tough-guy icon 'Hamas'. Well, 'Hamas' might be a dumbass on a 24/7 roid rage, but I'm sure he's smart enough to not say the shit that fat bastard Wendler was.

If the mods bottle it, the board should seriously put the prick on universal ignore. He doesn't know jack shit about football on top of being the lowest of the low the internet has to offer.

Get some contributors to give him a "ticket"...enough of those and he'll be temp banned, right?

Permanent IP ban? We don't even do that to people who physically threaten to hurt someone. The dude's given himself a month ban from posting due to feeling like shit. We should see if he honors it.

Yes, they did. And we're talking about Gochiefs here. He has no honor.